Mr Win

Oud Beginner
With my small knowlegde and research about Ky Nam, i want to share this.

I would like to thanks all comment to help us to know more deeply about Ky Nam.

The formation?

First, we should know about Agarwood, please research more on google.
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Agarwood is formed through processes agents when Aquilaria tree damaged physical or chemical Infected (both organic and inorganic ) (in natural, Holotrichia Sauteri Moser, ants go inside the tree to live and make nest, the Aquilaria wood itself has the property of attracting these animals to come in, continues to be invaded by mold, bacteria or infected with other chemical components that are harmful to the body and the growth of the plant). The plant must fight these damaging agents, the stem secretes oleoresin (a compound that is basically like an antibiotic) to cover, protect at damaged position to restore and protect the plant to continue of living. Over a long time, the resin at the site of injury accumulates gradually, has a special fragrance and turns into agarwood.

“Agarwood” (沈香 jinko, “sinking fragrance”), as defined by the Kôjien-Japanese dictionary, is “a natural flavoring obtained from a tall tree. The tree belongs to the Asian tropics, about 10 meters high, the trunk is hard and submerged under water. White flowers. Bury the tree in the ground, or rot, the tree will become 'old la' 伽羅 with smooth black color, superior aroma and very expensive price".

The process of forming Ky Nam is similar to agarwood, but in nature, the conditions for Ky Nam formation are much more difficult than agarwood. No need for physical agents, there is still the formation and development of Ky Nam inside the tree (May cause of special rare of fungus and bacteria, each type of rare fungus and bacteria in natural environment will affect color and scent of Wild Ky Nam)

It is very hard for hunter to find agarwood and ky nam in forest, they must walk to find day by day among thousand of trees to find out Aquilaria trees, face of animals and many dangerous (may be die). But although when they find out Aquilaria tree, there is no agarwood or Ky nam inside.

According to the experience of those who hunting in forest said that when they encounter Aquilaria trees 30-40 meters high or higher, the leaves are yellow and become smaller, the trunk has many tumors like nests. If the root has a termite mound closed, that Aquilaria tree has Ky Nam. When they encounter such a Aquilaria tree, they have to cut down the tree and dig to the roots to find it, because Ky Nam can lie in the top, in the trunk or at the roots. When meeting young Aquilaria trees, hunter often use knives to dig into the trunk of the tree to make wounds and follow up many years later to get Agarwood if luckily it formed.

In 1977, Julaluodin was found in agarwood tree containing a fungus Cryptosphaeria mangifera.

"Ky Nam" especially only appears in Central Vietnam from Thanh Hoa to Khanh Hoa - a land with an attractive name, but true, it is "Land of Agarwood" in Viet Nam!

Since ancient times in Vietnam, there are descriptions in the royal books of the Nguyen Dynasty. Agarwood exists with more than 170 different distinguishable scents. For each incense inhalation for 24 hours in a row, there will be 8 waves of incense release. Each batch is a different aroma, complex flavor and has its own dominant smell.

In the book name Phu Bien Tap Luc, scientist Le Quy Don - Viet Nam also wrote: "Agarwood is the convergence of the spirits of heaven and earth."

"The life of heaven and earth, the cleansing of the universe, the reduction of negative qi, the good treatment of waste air, the only description of the yang, the superiority of the world's treasures..." - "Accumulating the spirit of heaven and earth, purifying for nothingness, clearing air, eliminate phlegm, treating digestive, cardiovascular is the most precious thing"

The peak of agarwood was during the Nguyen Dynasty - Vietnam, thanks to the contribution of the public god Nguyen Binh Khiem, suggesting to Lord Nguyen in the work of going to the south. Use agarwood as luggage, a remedy to carry with. Thanks to that, agarwood has been applied by the Nguyen for more than 400 years in medicine and life.

During their reign, the Nguyen kings increased the trade of agarwood with other countries. Typically, Lord Nguyen used to monopolize the agarwood market. Purchased domestically for 30 taels of gold/kg and sold to Nagasaki, Japan for 30-40 times higher, 1.200 taels of gold. Since then, the Nguyen kings created an exclusive royal and agarwood empire at that time.

The kings also had appropriate domestic and foreign policies to thoroughly protect our country's agarwood resources. The Nguyen Dynasty only allowed agarwood to exploit once a year. Select the wilted aquilaria crassna trees to get agarwood. Absolutely do not exploit young, still green trees because the resource of natural Agarwood is still low. Make sure not to destroy or over-exploit the country's resources.

Depend on the trading of agarwood between Viet Nam and Japan. Ky Nam was introduced to Japan, commonly known by the Japanese as kyara 伽羅.


The origin of the name Ky Nam?

According to Nakata Kyozaburo of the Baieido company, founded in 1657, the name "Ky Nam" was originally the Champa language because the Champa were the merchants from the beginning of time. The name "ky nam" is a combination of the Sanskrit word "kara" which means "black", and the Chinese word "bak" which means "tree, wood" (木 carpentry). With the synthesis of the two languages, we have the word "kalambak" or "calambac", and then this word was shortened to become "kynam", ie "black wood", as we have today.

It should also be added that it is not a coincidence that this particular type of bass is derived from Sanskrit, because the Sea Silk Road is also the way to spread Buddhism from India, and agarwood. Ky Nam followed that path with Buddhism. Champa at that time was also influenced by Indian civilization, instead of Chinese civilization like Vietnam.


More about Ky Nam

Ky Nam is the most elusive level of Agarwood. Many connoisseurs of agarwood research and collection often believe that an individual can only experience this heavenly fragrance after having practiced for three lifetimes. "Kynam is considered a relic in wood, the ultimate product of agarwood," said Mr. Su Tuan Sieu, an agarwood expert at the Panjiayuan market in the Antiquities Valuation program. "You have to practice for three lifetimes before you can meet Kynam"

Its rarity and value have been appreciated since the Han Dynasty- China, and Chinese folk also have many ways of talking about it. Some people say that in order to smell Ky Nam, it is necessary to accumulate the virtues of three generations, and if one can cultivate the good fortune of eight generations, then it is possible to enjoy Ky Nam. Therefore, many people consider Ky Nam to be the "diamond in spices from wood".

Natural / wild Kynam are only formed in Vietnam, Malaysia, Cambodia or Hainan Island (China).

However, according to Chinese men's hunters, Nha Trang, Vietnam is the most famous agarwood trading place in the world and this region is also the most famous. In particular, the natural / wild agarwood, Kynam in Nha Trang, Vietnam is currently the standard to evaluate the best quality of all the production regions.

Vietnam's natural Kynam are currently the largest but becoming scarce due to the demand of the consumer market.

Professor Dinh Xuan Ba, Director of the Center for Applied Biology SECOIN in Vietnam, a leading research expert in Vietnam's agarwood industry, said: "Kynam is a specialty and a treasure of Vietnam. Not only for the scent is indescribable, mysterious and elegant, but also has the ability to treat."

Why, in the past, people often divided agarwood and Kynam according to the place of origin? Because the water and soil environment have a great influence on the quality of agarwood or Kynam. Agarwood, after successful infusion, will undergo a prolonged period of condensation, during this period, agarwood will form or absorb surrounding odor molecules, and then continue slowly condensed into its own distinctive flavor. Therefore, it can be said that the surrounding water and soil environment largely determines the quality of agarwood.


Classification of Ky Nam

Ky Nam can be classified into 5 types based on color as follows:

(1) White KyNam – 金丝 白奇楠 - Bạch Kỳ Nam

Resin form: The presence of active tissue in the leucorrhea creates a strong contrast between its active fibers (brownish-white patches) and the dark resin. When cutting, the friction White KyNam oil will be black, but when exposed to the air for a long time, it will become clear and bright white like a thin layer of sugar. Sometimes zoomed in with a magnifying glass will show red oil mixed with yellow oils. Aging and maturation: More than 3000 years or more.

(2) Green KyNam – 莺歌 绿 奇 楠 - Thanh Kỳ Nam

Resin form: The surface of Green KyNam has a dark green color. Its interior profile, when sliced open, features an elegant blend of yellow-green resin. Aging and Maturity: More than 2500 years or more.


(3) Purple KyNam – 紫 奇 楠 - Tử Kỳ Nam

Resin form: A slice through purple Ky nam reveals a luxurious and intricately meandering purple-red resin throughout its entire body. Aging and Maturity: More than 2000 years.

(4) Yellow KyNam – 黄奇楠 - Huỳnh/ Hoàng Kỳ Nam

Resin form: Amber yellow or honey color full body like golden silk. Glossy like satin. Aging and Maturity: More than 1500 years.

(5) Black KyNam – 黑 奇 楠 -Hắc Kỳ Nam

Resin form: When cut into inside, distinct black resin streaks reveal themselves on the surface of Black KyNam. Sparkling and sparkling, they resemble the elegant allure of the tranquil night sky. Aging and Maturity: More than 1250 years


Value of Agarwood and Natural Ky Nam

Quote from Professor Dinh Xuan Ba, Director of the Center for Applied Biology SECOIN in Vietnam
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What is the true value of Agarwood and Ky Nam ? That is the question that I have been trying to answer for many years but have not yet found a satisfactory answer. I think, to answer that question, we probably have to use both explanations: pseudoscience or pre-scientific (protoscience) and orthodox science. Pseudoscience is not antiscience, but in the history of some of today's sciences itself has gone through a period of pseudoscience and then pre-scientific. Examples of pseudoscience are Astrology, Psychic, Feng Shui, etc. Examples of pre-scientific are: Sociobiology, Futurology, Cryonics, etc.

From a pseudo-scientific (and pre-scientific) point of view, we see that, in addition to being used as a flavoring agent for high-class perfumes, Agarwood also has many important applications in traditional medicine, in aromatherapy. (Aromatherapy) and Plant Therapy (Phytotherapy or Herbalism, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbalism), see the accompanying documents on the discussions on Agarwood by Le Qui Don, Prof. Do Tat Loi, Dr. Vo Van Chi, James Compton

Standing on the official scientific concept, so far there have been a number of important works as follows:

- The United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) has just announced a new invention by four scientists at Taipei Medical University with the content: "Using extracts of Agarwood bark to treat cancer ". Patent registration number is 20110160152, publication date: June 30, 2011, the authors of the invention: Ching-Chiung Wang, Lih-Geeng Chen, Ting-Lin Chang, Chi-Ting Hsieh. In fact, since 2005, Cucurbitacins have been found in the Agarwood tree (Thymelaeaceae), but this invention specifically shows that Cucurbitacins can be isolated from the bark of the Aquilaria tree (Aquilaria agallocha Roxb.), indicating the method of using it. Extracts in the bark of the above-mentioned Aquilaria tree to kill cancer cells, to prevent and cure cancer. Readers can view and download the full text of the aforementioned invention at: www.freshpatents.com/-dt20110630ptan20110160152.php and learn about Cucurbitacins at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cucurbitacin.

- According to www.vnexpress.net/Vietnam/Suc-khoe/2001/12/3B9B7607/ Scientists from Rutgers University (New Jersey, USA) used the resin of Commiphora myrha to test on MCF-7 breast cancer cell type, which is resistant to specific drugs. As a result, all cancer cells are destroyed.

- In November 2005, professors of the Institute of Natural Medicine, University of Toyama (Japan) found a new sesquiterpene of Agarwood from Vietnam and proved in the laboratory its stimulating effect on the reproductive process. BDNF (New sesquiterpene from Vietnamese agarwood and its induction effect on Brain-derived Neurotrophic Factor mRNA expression in vitro). The surveyed material was 4.52g Ky Nam (Kyara) purchased at Khanh Hoa Department of Science and Technology from December 2001. This work was published in Bioorganic & Medicinal Chemistry No. 14 (2006) pp. 3571-3574, February 7, 2006 available for download online from www.sciencedirect.com. Please note that BDNF deficiency has many adverse health consequences, see attached file..

- According to http://tuoitre.vn//Giao-duc/Khoa-hoc/424317/San-xuat-duoc-lieu-tu-l..., According to research by Master Dang Uy Nhan (University of Science) natural, Vietnam National University, Ho Chi Minh City) leaves of Aquilaria crasna tree have very high chemical composition and antioxidant activity, isolated seven pure compounds in which the main compound is mangiferin with the content of 17.16mg/g ( equivalent to 1.7% in dry leaves). Mangiferin is an active ingredient capable of directly destroying Herpes simplex virus, Sitomegalo virus, stimulating the body to produce interfevon, helping the body to increase the body's ability to fight diseases of viral origin. In addition, mangiferin has a hypoglycemic effect.

- According to the Journal of Natural Medicines, volume 62, No.1/2008, Hiroaki Takemoto and his colleagues have proven the sedative effect of steaming with Agarwood essential oil. The full text of this scientific work can be downloaded at www.springerlink.com/content/n4m40825j26r2421/ or contact the authors at [email protected].

- According to Bioscience - Biotechnology - Biochemistry Volume 72/2008 No.2, Hideaki HARA and colleagues found the laxative effect of the leaves of Aquilaria sinensis. This work can be viewed at www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/bbb/72/2/72_335/_article

- The effect of Agarwood on the central nervous system, on healthy sleep and circadian rhythms, there are also works of:

Hitoshi Okugawa and colleagues at the Institute for Oriental Medicine, the full text of this work can be viewed at https://www.thieme-connect.de/DOI/DOI?10.1055/s-2006-957784

Okugawa H and colleagues at the Institute for Oriental Medicine, the full text of the work can be viewed at: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8441779?itool=EntrezSystem2.PEnt...

Tanaka et al., the full text of this work can be viewed at http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/bsc/pcn/2002/00000056/0000000...

In short, whether in terms of pseudo-scientific or orthodox scientific conception, Agarwood is originated from Aquilaria crassna Pierre ex Lecomte and Ky Nam is a specialty that nature bestows on our country. From the 16th century, when Agarwood was worth 16 times the price of gold (see Do Tat Loi, Vietnamese medicinal plants and herbs, page 436) until now, although the price fluctuates due to supply and demand changes, but in general still stand on a much higher price level than many other forest products. It is highly recommended to continue to develop it properly, especially to further study Agarwood in both basic theory and technology.

Quote from an expert – Mr. David Oller:

He asserts that Kyara can only be derived from trees of the Aquilaria species that grow in Vietnam. Anything not harvested in Vietnam, cannot be Kynam. That is the motto. Oller also claims that Kyara has a unique chemical characteristic that is not found in other types of jinko. There is a certain chemical called Dihydrokaronone that can only be found in the Vietnamese Aquilaria Crassna plant.


How to distinguish between Agarwood and natural Ky Nam

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Scent : Tradictional chinese medicine (herbs)

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Scent: Mix with pure vanila sweetness, milky, fatty, butter

View more clearly on my youtube channel:


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The green oil tends to have sour taste while the white oil has more herbal flavors (scent of traditional Chinese medicine, herbs) and the black or purple oil has a pure vanilla sweetness.
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Tip: Wet the Kynam piece with a little warm water, then wrap it tightly with a nylon sheet (banana leaves are better), then you will leave it in the sun for about 10 minutes to see its sweet aroma, which you cannot found in normal agarwood, when ky nam meets water, it becomes soft and very easy to cut unlike agarwood. When dry, Ky Nam is quite hard but not as hard as agarwood.

For cold water, try to use pure rain water to wet Ky Nam and feel its aroma immediately.



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Reference from “Areej le Doré Perfumes”


Kynam (and Agarwood) collectors and traders tend to prefer Kynam flakes (and Agarwood chips) that contain more oil glands (i.e. VOC residues), see figure
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View more detail on My blog

Fake Ky Nam ?

Currently there is no technology that can fake natural Kynam (Only applicable to those who have had experience with natural/ wild Kynam)

Currently only the technology of planting Ky Nam
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Technically, almost all kynams currently on the market are “cultivated kynams.”

High quality premium cultivated Ky Nam for 5 years or more, try and smell it and enjoy it rather than just arguing wild or cultivated without knowing what it smells like or how degree it is burnt. The kynam itself has a light color, a little plastic but that is the signal that it have a lot of oil, a pale appearance does not mean the lower quality that many people misjudge.

Very few documents are shared clearly and accurately online about KyNam nowadays, mostly false and inaccurate or complete, they use the information mainly for trading or because they do not understand KyNam as well.

Comparing cultivated Kynam and Wild Kynam

View more detail on My blog

Spirituality of Agarwood and Ky Nam (Only and effective in natural agarwood, not artificial)

View more detail on My blog

 
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Mario P.

Jinkoh Store
information is quite false, i will not go to much into discussion .Kynam/kyara/qinan or whatever name you wanna call it is formed on agarwood tree , aquilaria tree, indeed request long time and x x x reason to be formed, but kinam is not an different species of agarwood , this informations was spread arround chinese culture mainly just for marketing purpose. Secondly , kinam grade was found also in Thailand , in Brunei etc ,so not only the country/regions mention above...
But nice and educational post ! Regards
 

Mr Win

Oud Beginner
information is quite false, i will not go to much into discussion .Kynam/kyara/qinan or whatever name you wanna call it is formed on agarwood tree , aquilaria tree, indeed request long time and x x x reason to be formed, but kinam is not an different species of agarwood , this informations was spread arround chinese culture mainly just for marketing purpose. Secondly , kinam grade was found also in Thailand , in Brunei etc ,so not only the country/regions mention above...
But nice and educational post ! Regards
Thanks you so much bro, yes u r right. I have not time to describe much detail and waiting 4 people like u to fix me !
 
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Mario P.

Jinkoh Store
Thanks you so much bro, yes u r right. I have not time to describe much detail and waiting 4 people like u to fix me !
nobody fix you ,i just share personal opinion. we all learn day by day , we are not experts but the details mention above are from 1 person versus many other universty who tell us different, and up to date we dont find any kynam tree in database of world...maybe i mistake ,in the end i enjoy your post .
 

Mr.P

oud<3er
What’s the story behind this article? Was this written for a website or blog?

Definitely a mixture of accurate and inaccurate information, for example:

“… and mix it with musk essential oil (taken from the civet's fragrant bag),”


I agree that it smells good with musk, but musk and civet are not the same thing and neither exist in “essential oil” form, only as extracts or non-distilled oils.
 
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Mr Win

Oud Beginner
What’s the story behind this article? Was this written for a website or blog?

Definitely a mixture of accurate and inaccurate information, for example:

“… and mix it with musk essential oil (taken from the civet's fragrant bag),”


I agree that it smells good with musk, but musk and civet are not the same thing and neither exist in “essential oil” form, only as extracts or non-distilled oils.
No story, no reason why behind this article. it do it because i want to share my research to all who willing to learn and share knowledge about Ky Nam. It hard to know about KyNam (it take me long time to research myself from many expert person, just for our passion). No business in this article. And i m very happy if anyone can help me more knowledge, for me to learn more. ^.^

And i write this base on my logic thinking after research, also make refference evidence from many website and blog.

For mixing oil, i m not expert and willingto learn more, thanks 4 ur share
 
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Taesik Yun

Attar Yun
Staff member
Welcome to the forum, @Mr Win
thanks for the informational post.

if you don't mind, can you tell us why you joined the forum?

having the intention to promote your business or generate leads does nothing to do with the quality and credibility of the content you post. hiding the intention does.
 

Mr Win

Oud Beginner
Welcome to the forum, @Mr Win
thanks for the informational post.

if you don't mind, can you tell us why you joined the forum?

having the intention to promote your business or generate leads does nothing to do with the quality and credibility of the content you post. hiding the intention does.
First, I joint this forum cause i have researched info about Kynam from this forum before and see many people want to know about it clearly, many people want to know but info are very sporadic everywhere online right (true and false info make people confuse), and this website i think the best way to share about it to many expert.

I think we need to share our knowledge for nothing, of course many people doing that. That is all.

Why people always thinking about intention when receive some thing about other ? Why dun think it is simple ? Almost Vietnamese willing to share 4 nothing.

Why many people ask me about my business or any intention when i just want to share ? Is this the purpose (deeply in mind) of all people in this forum now ? i dun care and i will continous to share where ever i want.

P/S: If anyone want to know my business, please pm me privately by other way not this forum. If you want then there is way !
 

language scent

True Woodict
The thing about kinam and region in my mind is one very important one. In my personal belief, from all the known theories, I believe kinam forms within already resin formed agarwood and changes in time for reasons unknown. Sure there are many theories but there really isn't a good way to test these hypothesis.

Lets look at Vietnamese agarwood and lets look at Malaysian or Chinese or Cambodian, Hindi etc. If the name kinam was given by the Japanese and their idea of it throughout the hundreds of years was VIETNAMESE ORIGIN then I would easily say that kinam is formed only in Vietnam, even if wood with the same properties BUT NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE SAME AROMA are also formed in other regions.

I have tried kinam from other regions and I can ALWAYS tell if it is Vietnamese or other region kinam the same way I can tell the difference between Vietnamese agarwood and Hainan agarwood. There is nothing close to true Vietnamese kinam so I would not want to pay Vietnamese kinam prices for any other type of kinam. Who knows maybe I have not tried very very good caliber kinam from other regions. The thing is, when we compare Vietnamese high end agarwood to other regions they all smell different and their kinam is more related to the starting aroma of the regions also so.... if I discover a bird with specific characteristics and call it a kinam bird, and someone else finds a bird of the same size and colors, could they call it kinam bird also even if each bird has completely different chirping song? Of course NOT but it is ALL ABOUT THE MONEY my friends LOL

If anything, I trust Japanese experts way beyond all other when it comes to agarwood and kinam. IF THE JAPANESE SAY ONLY KINAM EXISTS IN VIETNAM then my friends LOL no other region has kinam.

At the end of the day all agarwood and kinams are beautiful but TRUE VIETNAMESE KINAM IS M A G I C.....At least to me and many others. The real question is, do some people have a more evolved sense of smell than others? Is it possible that some peoples sense of smell is more connected to their nervous system and these people have different receptors in the brain that allow for different experience than others? Could these receptors be brought upon by the brain learning the aroma and experiencing it more and more or something? It definitely seems as if agarwood is a language where the brain learns more and more in time with the experience of the streaks of aroma, it all has to do with the imagination that exists to begin with.
 

Mr Win

Oud Beginner
The thing about kinam and region in my mind is one very important one. In my personal belief, from all the known theories, I believe kinam forms within already resin formed agarwood and changes in time for reasons unknown. Sure there are many theories but there really isn't a good way to test these hypothesis.

Lets look at Vietnamese agarwood and lets look at Malaysian or Chinese or Cambodian, Hindi etc. If the name kinam was given by the Japanese and their idea of it throughout the hundreds of years was VIETNAMESE ORIGIN then I would easily say that kinam is formed only in Vietnam, even if wood with the same properties BUT NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE SAME AROMA are also formed in other regions.

I have tried kinam from other regions and I can ALWAYS tell if it is Vietnamese or other region kinam the same way I can tell the difference between Vietnamese agarwood and Hainan agarwood. There is nothing close to true Vietnamese kinam so I would not want to pay Vietnamese kinam prices for any other type of kinam. Who knows maybe I have not tried very very good caliber kinam from other regions. The thing is, when we compare Vietnamese high end agarwood to other regions they all smell different and their kinam is more related to the starting aroma of the regions also so.... if I discover a bird with specific characteristics and call it a kinam bird, and someone else finds a bird of the same size and colors, could they call it kinam bird also even if each bird has completely different chirping song? Of course NOT but it is ALL ABOUT THE MONEY my friends LOL

If anything, I trust Japanese experts way beyond all other when it comes to agarwood and kinam. IF THE JAPANESE SAY ONLY KINAM EXISTS IN VIETNAM then my friends LOL no other region has kinam.

At the end of the day all agarwood and kinams are beautiful but TRUE VIETNAMESE KINAM IS M A G I C.....At least to me and many others. The real question is, do some people have a more evolved sense of smell than others? Is it possible that some peoples sense of smell is more connected to their nervous system and these people have different receptors in the brain that allow for different experience than others? Could these receptors be brought upon by the brain learning the aroma and experiencing it more and more or something? It definitely seems as if agarwood is a language where the brain learns more and more in time with the experience of the streaks of aroma, it all has to do with the imagination that exists to begin with.
Dear, ur opinion is so good, help me and other people know more. Thank u very much from bottom of my heart. 😀
 

Mr.P

oud<3er
It has been a long time since I’ve heard anyone taking the line that the source of the finest or even only authentic material is Vietnam.

There’s been a kind of diversification / broadening of the concept of kinam/kyara over the last 10 years as more and more people have attempted to capitalize on the cachet associated with the term.

On the other hand, political borders have nothing to do with ecology so “Vietnam” doesn’t have any real specificity in anything other than a geopolitical sense… why should kyara obey a political border lol?

That said, i have always wondered what the deal was with the blooming market of Brunei, Assam, Borneo and other so called kinams out there given the Japanese take on things.
 

Mr Win

Oud Beginner
It has been a long time since I’ve heard anyone taking the line that the source of the finest or even only authentic material is Vietnam.

There’s been a kind of diversification / broadening of the concept of kinam/kyara over the last 10 years as more and more people have attempted to capitalize on the cachet associated with the term.

On the other hand, political borders have nothing to do with ecology so “Vietnam” doesn’t have any real specificity in anything other than a geopolitical sense… why should kyara obey a political border lol?

That said, i have always wondered what the deal was with the blooming market of Brunei, Assam, Borneo and other so called kinams out there given the Japanese take on things.
There r many level of knowing, experience and opinion when talking about Kynam bro, depending on anyone who have how many change to try all type of real things called Kynam, kyara, qinan, calambac, where ever it s origin, what ever it called. I think we should know why it's existence in this world, and separate it by our knowledge, determine it's value ! All sharing are just 4 ref and thanks 4 that. Except u r scientist and announce ur discover with logic evidence. And yes they have done it by many way. if u read detail in my sharing, there r some chemical element that can not be found if the things is not harvested in Vietnam. Wish all the best to all !😀
 

language scent

True Woodict
It has been a long time since I’ve heard anyone taking the line that the source of the finest or even only authentic material is Vietnam.

There’s been a kind of diversification / broadening of the concept of kinam/kyara over the last 10 years as more and more people have attempted to capitalize on the cachet associated with the term.

On the other hand, political borders have nothing to do with ecology so “Vietnam” doesn’t have any real specificity in anything other than a geopolitical sense… why should kyara obey a political border lol?

That said, i have always wondered what the deal was with the blooming market of Brunei, Assam, Borneo and other so called kinams out there given the Japanese take on things.
At the end of the day it comes down to taste. I find it HIGHLY UNLIKELY that that other "authentic" material could ever match the Vietnamese. This can not be said about agarwood tho, all top grade agarwood from all regions is extremely beautiful, and so is other kinam I have tried, but it is undeniable magic contained in the Vietnamese kinam I wish everyone could meet this but only way really is in auctions where one would pay thousands for a tiny fraction of a gram. Now out of all I have ever tried only two fit this magical spot, a black and a white. It is firstly about their otherworldly aroma and feelings of well being and awe, about their explosive aroma at temps low like in the mouth and their longevity.

The question to why should kyara obey a political border is like the question of why kyara had formed lol it's just a region that produced something special and different that's all. Other than that I don't know.

Here is something to think about. I have tried a dripping oily supposed hindi kinam, and hindi agarwood is regarded by many as the TOP region for agarwood.... if you try to compare this Hindi kinam to Vietnamese you will think the Hindi is trash. Bad as it sounds. There is a good reason and the only way to experience truly is to go to any of the top Japanese houses and buy some top shelf or even better the auctions here https://auctions.yahoo.co.jp/seller/bijyutu2005gao THE PINNACLE OF VIETNAMESE KINAM WORLDWIDE
 

Mr Win

Oud Beginner
At the end of the day it comes down to taste. I find it HIGHLY UNLIKELY that that other "authentic" material could ever match the Vietnamese. This can not be said about agarwood tho, all top grade agarwood from all regions is extremely beautiful, and so is other kinam I have tried, but it is undeniable magic contained in the Vietnamese kinam I wish everyone could meet this but only way really is in auctions where one would pay thousands for a tiny fraction of a gram. Now out of all I have ever tried only two fit this magical spot, a black and a white. It is firstly about their otherworldly aroma and feelings of well being and awe, about their explosive aroma at temps low like in the mouth and their longevity.

The question to why should kyara obey a political border is like the question of why kyara had formed lol it's just a region that produced something special and different that's all. Other than that I don't know.

Here is something to think about. I have tried a dripping oily supposed hindi kinam, and hindi agarwood is regarded by many as the TOP region for agarwood.... if you try to compare this Hindi kinam to Vietnamese you will think the Hindi is trash. Bad as it sounds. There is a good reason and the only way to experience truly is to go to any of the top Japanese houses and buy some top shelf or even better the auctions here https://auctions.yahoo.co.jp/seller/bijyutu2005gao THE PINNACLE OF VIETNAMESE KINAM WORLDWIDE
I agree with you 200%, and i understand and repect your level of knowledge about Ky Nam. Thank you so much !
 

iori

親月
the question is what makes kyara kyara/kinam kinam? is it type of aquilaria ? sub species what so ever? i don't know i would love info.
beside again this question if kinam truly can be found everywhere, why Japanese insist its only from Vietnam? unlike Chinese schools where they have it from every region ? is it the characteristic ?
 

Mr Win

Oud Beginner
the question is what makes kyara kyara/kinam kinam? is it type of aquilaria ? sub species what so ever? i don't know i would love info.
beside again this question if kinam truly can be found everywhere, why Japanese insist its only from Vietnam? unlike Chinese schools where they have it from every region ? is it the characteristic ?
All the answer u need r in my sharing, please read it carefully, Japanese and Chinese like Vietnamese Kynam cause they love the aroma of it than another which are from other region. Many from other could have the same shape or quality but the aroma is not the same.
 

language scent

True Woodict
the question is what makes kyara kyara/kinam kinam? is it type of aquilaria ? sub species what so ever? i don't know i would love info.
beside again this question if kinam truly can be found everywhere, why Japanese insist its only from Vietnam? unlike Chinese schools where they have it from every region ? is it the characteristic ?
I think japan has the most Vietnamese kinam by a lot and the Chinese may have got in on it late so they don’t have a lot to make and this is where the “other regions” kinam branding comes in. But maybe I am wrong. One thing is for sure in my mind China has very old cultivated kinam being pushed as wild Vietnamese. They do have Vietnamese also. That is some wild thing to say, to me seems mostly it is just this “kinam” from other regions.
All just theory based on experience from sources in Vietnam Japan and China
 
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