Baeiedo Kyara Kokoh +

[language scent]

So I just got 6 x 6.5inch sticks from japaninsence.com along with a bunch of other kyara sticks from Kunmeido Kyara Tenpyo, and Kyara enju from Seijudo.....Is it me or are the kyara notes covered with a bunch of other ingredients? I even did a low heat at around 120 on the heater instead of lighting the sticks.. Anyone know what %'s of Kyara is in the mixture?

 

[Oudamberlove]

It’s not you, they’re all blends IMO, and I’m pretty sure that the Incense Companies will not tell you how much Kyara is in their recipes.

 

[language scent]

It’s not you, they’re all blends IMO, and I’m pretty sure that the Incense Companies will not tell you how much Kyara is in their recipes.

i dont think there is more then 10% kyara in the mix. room temp and it doesn't smell anything like kyara or even agarwood. this is insane that they call it kyara at all. If kyara is the highest quality aloeswood in its purest form then how does a mix of spices and agarwood with minimal kyara in it get the name of kyara incense from such a giant company?

 

[Oudamberlove]

Well, put a pinch of kyara, and call it a kyara stick. Just like oud oils with kinam in their name, without any kinam inside😂

I guess when expectations are high, disappointments may follow.
With Japanese sticks, there is no ingredients list.
Personally I enjoy them as blends, and don’t expect them to be pure kyara sticks, and even pure kyara sticks may be a let-down, because combusted kyara is not as refined as heated kyara.

 

[language scent]

Well, put a pinch of kyara, and call it a kyara stick. Just like oud oils with kinam in their name, without any kinam inside😂

I guess when expectations are high, disappointments may follow.
With Japanese sticks, there is no ingredients list.
Personally I enjoy them as blends, and don’t expect them to be pure kyara sticks, and even pure kyara sticks may be a let-down, because combusted kyara is not as refined as heated kyara.

thats why i do not light them up. i heat them and if they are good enough i tincture and then evaporate, collect resin heat it...heavenly!

 

[zeedubbya]

I think you have to be prepared for what the Japanese incense companies offer in the way of Kyara incense. If someone didn’t already prep me (thanks @BrandonGilbert and @Oudamberlove) I would have been super disappointed as well. Since I was prepared for the blast of spices and perfumey ingredients I was more able to “get” them.

With this in mind, I do think Kyara Kokoh is a great incense. Is it pure Kyara the whole ride? No. Does it have more whiffs of Kyara than most incenses and does it leave a Kyara scent behind after being burned—yes. Is it worth $35 a stick…..maybe/maybe not? Capturing, for a brief few moments, the highest level of fragrant wood on the planet? I still haven’t bought a box yet, but haven’t ruled it out for more stable financial times..

 

[language scent]

I think you have to be prepared for what the Japanese incense companies offer in the way of Kyara incense. If someone didn’t already prep me (thanks @BrandonGilbert and @Oudamberlove) I would have been super disappointed as well. Since I was prepared for the blast of spices and perfumey ingredients I was more able to “get” them.

With this in mind, I do think Kyara Kokoh is a great incense. Is it pure Kyara the whole ride? No. Does it have more whiffs of Kyara than most incenses and does it leave a Kyara scent behind after being burned—yes. Is it worth $35 a stick…..maybe/maybe not? Capturing, for a brief few moments, the highest level of fragrant wood on the planet? I still haven’t bought a box yet, but haven’t ruled it out for more stable financial times..

good agarwood and especially kyara is many times more beautiful in the air. For sure tho, everyone has different taste.

 

[zeedubbya]

good agarwood and especially kyara is many times more beautiful in the air. For sure tho, everyone has different taste.

You are traveling down an extremely subjective path. Your experience is yours and yours alone, but please don’t forget Baieido has been at this since the 1300’s. One can spend a lifetime only studying Kyara and not learn everything there is to know about it. I gently encourage you to gain some additional experience with Kyara and come back to the incense. Don’t write it off so quickly.

 

[Oudamberlove]

Don’t write it off so quickly

So true….
it took me so many years to appreciate some sticks….
and some oud also.

 

[language scent]

You are traveling down an extremely subjective path. Your experience is yours and yours alone, but please don’t forget Baieido has been at this since the 1300’s. One can spend a lifetime only studying Kyara and not learn everything there is to know about it. I gently encourage you to gain some additional experience with Kyara and come back to the incense. Don’t write it off so quickly.

While I agree with you and totally respect Baieido, I have many types of kyara, from cultivated to mid to very expensive and for a really really good reason most of the superior is from japan. Now there is something about the depth of the aroma of the high quality ones and even the mids that is very bold and undeniable that is just not achieved with the kyara incense. I'm sorry but you can not take pure gold and compare it with a gold alloy that is labelled pure gold jewelry just because there is % of pure gold in it even if the alloy itself has a beautiful color.

Now, I can totally see if it was 80-90% kyara and there were secret ingredients added that complement the original scent and give it an extra edge or interesting twist, even then that would be wasting a natural relic so I get the low % in a way, but most of these are way overpowered by spices and herbs other than aloeswood. Could I learn to love it? Sure, I believe that after a long duration of exposure I may even come to love it as I am sure someone may come to love a sexual act with someone they do not love but do I want to spend more money and reach this point instead of joining some kyara auction instead? NOPE LOL

 

[Andrew Salkin]

Ive found i enjoy more the lowest tier Dr Incense agarwood sticks (they actually smell like agarwood) to any Japanese sticks I've ever smelled. I'm still trying to offload a box of baiedo I bought early on for 100 bucks that I NEVER burn bc to me it just smells like perfumed sticks with zero agarwood.

For the same price, you could buy from kyarazen, Dr. Incense, craft incense, or many others and get a higher percentage agarwood stick that more directly represents a regional agarwood signature. I've even been disappointed with some of the "off-label" Japanese incense manufacturers selling "single-origin" style sticks - the cost to quality ratio is puzzling to me.

I think there's totally value in learning to love something over time but at nosebleed prices, I don't think an initial response of disappointment is fair either. It's gotta be a balance.

 

[language scent]

Ive found i enjoy more the lowest tier Dr Incense agarwood sticks (they actually smell like agarwood) to any Japanese sticks I've ever smelled. I'm still trying to offload a box of baiedo I bought early on for 100 bucks that I NEVER burn bc to me it just smells like perfumed sticks with zero agarwood.

For the same price, you could buy from kyarazen, Dr. Incense, craft incense, or many others and get a higher percentage agarwood stick that more directly represents a regional agarwood signature. I've even been disappointed with some of the "off-label" Japanese incense manufacturers selling "single-origin" style sticks - the cost to quality ratio is puzzling to me.

I think there's totally value in learning to love something over time but at nosebleed prices, I don't think an initial response of disappointment is fair either. It's gotta be a balance.

Exactly!! incense sticks really do not make any sense. i paid like 230usd for 6 sticks that are like 2.75g and probably have like .2 low-medium grade kyara in them with that money high quality agarwood could have been bought and enjoyed much much more

 

[Justiciar Parfums]

Ive found i enjoy more the lowest tier Dr Incense agarwood sticks (they actually smell like agarwood) to any Japanese sticks I've ever smelled. I'm still trying to offload a box of baiedo I bought early on for 100 bucks that I NEVER burn bc to me it just smells like perfumed sticks with zero agarwood.

For the same price, you could buy from kyarazen, Dr. Incense, craft incense, or many others and get a higher percentage agarwood stick that more directly represents a regional agarwood signature. I've even been disappointed with some of the "off-label" Japanese incense manufacturers selling "single-origin" style sticks - the cost to quality ratio is puzzling to me.

I think there's totally value in learning to love something over time but at nosebleed prices, I don't think an initial response of disappointment is fair either. It's gotta be a balance.

Hi, which product specifically from Baieido was it? I might be willing to take it off your hands (also, buy via proxy from Japan, it's so much cheaper). I can kind of relate to the experience of Japanese incense sticks that don't really deliver on the aloeswood front. But one of the key aspects of Japanese incense is the blending of different spices and fragrant woods, so no Japanese incense is truly meant to smell just like a single ingredient with a few notable exceptions such as Seikado's Tokusen Byakudan Houn which is a pure sandalwood incense. As a matter of fact, Japanese incense stores like Japan Incense are more than willing to recommend you a single-ingredient or otherwise wood-centric incense. It's all about trial, error, sampling, and just enjoying the process of listening to the incense as the smell wafts towards you. Regardless of how much aloeswood or kyara is in a stick, I think we can all agree that a skillfully blended stick is always a true pleasure to smell.

 

[Oudstudent]

While I agree with you and totally respect Baieido, I have many types of kyara, from cultivated to mid to very expensive and for a really really good reason most of the superior is from japan. Now there is something about the depth of the aroma of the high quality ones and even the mids that is very bold and undeniable that is just not achieved with the kyara incense. I'm sorry but you can not take pure gold and compare it with a gold alloy that is labelled pure gold jewelry just because there is % of pure gold in it even if the alloy itself has a beautiful color.

Now, I can totally see if it was 80-90% kyara and there were secret ingredients added that complement the original scent and give it an extra edge or interesting twist, even then that would be wasting a natural relic so I get the low % in a way, but most of these are way overpowered by spices and herbs other than aloeswood. Could I learn to love it? Sure, I believe that after a long duration of exposure I may even come to love it as I am sure someone may come to love a sexual act with someone they do not love but do I want to spend more money and reach this point instead of joining some kyara auction instead? NOPE LOL

Any type of scent can be shit even the best kynam/kyara/hashis/marijuana/weed. At the end, it is how you THINK/THOUGH that matters. You can manipulate your body thinking incense made with cheap essential oil better than kyara.

It is very difficult to understant, but it is what it is. There is no such thing as perfect scent so as perfect life. It depends how you think about it. Until now for me, kyara/kynam is the best smell out there but i would not label it many times better than incense blend. ALl scent is the same at the end

 

[language scent]

Any type of scent can be shit even the best kynam/kyara/hashis/marijuana/weed. At the end, it is how you THINK?THOUGH that matters. You can manipulate your body thinking incense made with cheap essential oil better than kyara.

It is very difficult to understant, but it is what it is. There is no such thing as perfect scent so as perfect life. It depends how you think about it. Until now for me, kyara/kynam is the best smell out there but i would not label it many times better than incense blend. ALl scent is the same at the end

i dont agree. but give it some time and you will see. you just discovered kyara recently. it takes a little bit of time to finetune your nose to your discovery and language of the kyara. you cant just smell it a couple times and think you have realized it. i dont think there exist any human that if you heat some kinam properly in the perfect environment and the perfect day that this person will not like it. i feel this person has to be mentally deranged lol

i label kyara millions of times better than incense blends for many reasons not just aroma. depth is a different story when speaking aroma. look at it like this. two books, one has information written in half the pages and the other hald of the pages are blank for you to use them from what you learn that is precious inside and the other has no pages in it. the one with no pages might have a prettier cover that by first glance might say is better. but it takes time to learn the book and understand it. kyara is not just aroma it is a language. it takes time to realize it but a lot of different woods needed and it wont stop showing you things. 5 different pieces are enough to realize many worlds.

 

[Justiciar Parfums]

i dont agree. but give it some time and you will see. you just discovered kyara recently. it takes a little bit of time to finetune your nose to your discovery and language of the kyara. you cant just smell it a couple times and think you have realized it. i dont think there exist any human that if you heat some kinam properly in the perfect environment and the perfect day that this person will not like it. i feel this person has to be mentally deranged lol

i label kyara millions of times better than incense blends for many reasons not just aroma. depth is a different story when speaking aroma. look at it like this. two books, one has information written in half the pages and the other hald of the pages are blank for you to use them from what you learn that is precious inside and the other has no pages in it. the one with no pages might have a prettier cover that by first glance might say is better. but it takes time to learn the book and understand it. kyara is not just aroma it is a language. it takes time to realize it but a lot of different woods needed and it wont stop showing you things. 5 different pieces are enough to realize many worlds.

1. "it takes a little bit of time to finetune your nose to your discovery and language of the kyara. you cant just smell it a couple times and think you have realized it. i dont think there exist any human that if you heat some kinam properly in the perfect environment and the perfect day that this person will not like it. i feel this person has to be mentally deranged lol"
a) These are all very personal beliefs because you don't really know what other people like. Just because you find something deep and complex doesn't necessarily mean other people will, especially when the reasons for which you find kyara deep and complex are almost purely personal. And, frankly, I don't appreciate you berating any John and Jane Doe for having the gall to be agnostic about something as inaccessible and esoteric as kyara. Please think about perspective 😂 For example, I do not like the smell of hickory, but that does not mean I'm "deranged" for not liking it, and I certainly wouldn't believe it if a hickory fanatic told me so.
2. "i label kyara millions of times better than incense blends for many reasons not just aroma. depth is a different story when speaking aroma. look at it like this. two books, one has information written in half the pages and the other hald of the pages are blank for you to use them from what you learn that is precious inside and the other has no pages in it. the one with no pages might have a prettier cover that by first glance might say is better. but it takes time to learn the book and understand it. kyara is not just aroma it is a language. it takes time to realize it but a lot of different woods needed and it wont stop showing you things. 5 different pieces are enough to realize many worlds."
a) Incense is not meant to be kyara! Kyara is a single ingredient admittedly with a lot of complexity, but on some level it takes just as much patience and attention to detail to smell incense because blended incenses don't tell you to a tee what the ingredients are. It takes real skill to pick apart the interplay of ingredients in an incense not to mention centuries of generational experience to make them and blend the ingredients skillfully. Good quality blended incense has just as many filled pages as kyara does, to use your analogy. Really, the fact that you think this little of blended incense in turn tells me that you do not appreciate your organ of scent. For example, I may not like blue cheese, but that does not mean that it is a terrible or superficial product, and I can certainly make an effort to understand why it is beloved and appreciated by some people. For clarity, please reference this post. Also, for clarity, what does kyara teach you? If you can enumerate its teachings in a rational way and they are found to be true, perhaps that would lend credibility to your assertion that kyara is superior to blended incense. Otherwise, your beliefs about kyara are completely personal. You have a perfect right to believe any which way about kyara and blended incense and anything else for that matter, but you cannot tout, for a single moment, said beliefs as something objective or common sense.

 

[language scent]

1. "it takes a little bit of time to finetune your nose to your discovery and language of the kyara. you cant just smell it a couple times and think you have realized it. i dont think there exist any human that if you heat some kinam properly in the perfect environment and the perfect day that this person will not like it. i feel this person has to be mentally deranged lol"
a) These are all very personal beliefs because you don't really know what other people like. Just because you find something deep and complex doesn't necessarily mean other people will, especially when the reasons for which you find kyara deep and complex are almost purely personal. And, frankly, I don't appreciate you berating any John and Jane Doe for having the gall to be agnostic about something as inaccessible and esoteric as kyara. Please think about perspective 😂 For example, I do not like the smell of hickory, but that does not mean I'm "deranged" for not liking it, and I certainly wouldn't believe it if a hickory fanatic told me so.
2. "i label kyara millions of times better than incense blends for many reasons not just aroma. depth is a different story when speaking aroma. look at it like this. two books, one has information written in half the pages and the other hald of the pages are blank for you to use them from what you learn that is precious inside and the other has no pages in it. the one with no pages might have a prettier cover that by first glance might say is better. but it takes time to learn the book and understand it. kyara is not just aroma it is a language. it takes time to realize it but a lot of different woods needed and it wont stop showing you things. 5 different pieces are enough to realize many worlds."
a) Incense is not meant to be kyara! Kyara is a single ingredient admittedly with a lot of complexity, but on some level it takes just as much patience and attention to detail to smell incense because blended incenses don't tell you to a tee what the ingredients are. It takes real skill to pick apart the interplay of ingredients in an incense not to mention centuries of generational experience to make them and blend the ingredients skillfully. Good quality blended incense has just as many filled pages as kyara does, to use your analogy. Really, the fact that you think this little of blended incense in turn tells me that you do not appreciate your organ of scent. For example, I may not like blue cheese, but that does not mean that it is a terrible product, and I can certainly make an effort to understand why it is beloved and appreciated by some people. For clarity, please reference this post. Also, for clarity, what does kyara teach you? If you can enumerate its teachings in a rational way and they are found to be true, perhaps that would lend credibility to your assertion that kyara is superior to blended incense. Otherwise, your beliefs about kyara are completely personal. You have a perfect right to believe any which way about kyara and blended incense and anything else for that matter, but you cannot tout, for a single moment, said beliefs as something objective or common sense.

who ever doesnt think kyara is a much deeper and beautiful rabbit hole than incense sticks simply is clueless of kyara LOL

i agree not everyones nose has the same power. some noses have more power receptors if you will that are compatible with different effects while some not, but that doesnt change the matter of the fact about the substance just because one person isnt advanced enough..for example, to be able to lift 500lbs makes someone stronger but someone else who can not lift the 500lbs doesnt change the fact that to be able to lift 500lbs will make someones muscles stronger LOL i cant fill your mind or anyones mind with all the kyaras i have smelled. there exist some super pretty incense sticks and even cheap ones nagchampa i am a big fan of but there is a big topic related to quality aroma with effects.

some noses burned out from artificial crap and perfumes. a dogs nose can destroy any humans nose. so sure aromatics are different for everyone as everyone is different but there is a length to what each substance can offer. an advanced nose can study the aroma of a lemon for many years and nothing big will be learned, but kyara's on the other hand...i cant empty my mind to fill up anyones.

Some people see rocks, others see sculptures. both are true. then there is the sculptor, the artist and those who have many windows and doors open in their mind, capabilities, connections. those with just a couple windows. is the sunshine not there because we hide in rooms or are jailed or unable to go on a mountain top?

at the end of the day beautiful things are beautiful. incense sticks can not come close to the most precious aromatic and this is not my opinion or my personal but the opinion also of very advanced noses. there are very advanced noses and then there are amateur noses. an amateur nose will prefer synthetics more (just trying to stretch a concept). a very advanced nose that spends most of its life obsessing over aromatics and their depth and beauty can not be fooled by less complex and less rare aroma as being better. sure people who dont have experience could like something better than something else, what i am stressing is that you can bring anyone in this world and expose him to a mid grade collection of kyara and i am almost 100% that at least one of those pieces of kyara will be the most beautiful thing he/she has ever smelled and will fall in love with it and it will be one of this persons favorite aromas if not the favorite.
there are some super famous pieces and i am not sayinng that everyone has the same taste. i am saying if someone has the opportunity and time to explose kyara there is no competition PERIOD! lets not be ignorant about this. sentimental value is a different story, some people may view specific aroma so personal and connected to a point of time in life where things were a certain way, or even a specific laundry detergent, but beyond these memories and under a fair trial of comparing scents, nothing can come close to kyara, maybe pure full melt hashish. i have found in the past some extremely gorgeous aroma in hashish that is so otherworldy. anyway...

are the intoxicating effects of kyara not enough? the relaxing properties? the bliss and feelings of well being or the feelings of gratefull-ness that no other substance gives am i imagining these things everytime i heat them like a cannabis user imagines getting high??

the complexity of some pieces, just when you think you have realized the kyaras aroma in a specific cut, you are greeted with things you didnt see before, and again and again and even later the aromas arent the same any more. they change your noses understanding of them the way your brain perceives the same smell-shifting constituents. to me it taught me that the wood is truly magical, and via this magic opened up a lot of windows and connected many things in the way i experience it as compared to my first two years smelling kyara. it is also the best substance known to man for meditation in my opinion of course, i cant say the same about this part as i can about the aroma of the kyaras..

 

[Justiciar Parfums]

who ever doesnt think kyara is a much deeper and beautiful rabbit hole than incense sticks simply is clueless of kyara LOL

i agree not everyones nose has the same power. some noses have more power receptors if you will that are compatible with different effects while some not, but that doesnt change the matter of the fact about the substance just because one person isnt advanced enough..for example, to be able to lift 500lbs makes someone stronger but someone else who can not lift the 500lbs doesnt change the fact that to be able to lift 500lbs will make someones muscles stronger LOL i cant fill your mind or anyones mind with all the kyaras i have smelled. there exist some super pretty incense sticks and even cheap ones nagchampa i am a big fan of but there is a big topic related to quality aroma with effects.

some noses burned out from artificial crap and perfumes. a dogs nose can destroy any humans nose. so sure aromatics are different for everyone as everyone is different but there is a length to what each substance can offer. an advanced nose can study the aroma of a lemon for many years and nothing big will be learned, but kyara's on the other hand...i cant empty my mind to fill up anyones.

Some people see rocks, others see sculptures. both are true. then there is the sculptor, the artist and those who have many windows and doors open in their mind, capabilities, connections. those with just a couple windows. is the sunshine not there because we hide in rooms or are jailed or unable to go on a mountain top?

at the end of the day beautiful things are beautiful. incense sticks can not come close to the most precious aromatic and this is not my opinion or my personal but the opinion also of very advanced noses. there are very advanced noses and then there are amateur noses. an amateur nose will prefer synthetics more (just trying to stretch a concept). a very advanced nose that spends most of its life obsessing over aromatics and their depth and beauty can not be fooled by less complex and less rare aroma as being better. sure people who dont have experience could like something better than something else, what i am stressing is that you can bring anyone in this world and expose him to a mid grade collection of kyara and i am almost 100% that at least one of those pieces of kyara will be the most beautiful thing he/she has ever smelled and will fall in love with it and it will be one of this persons favorite aromas if not the favorite.
there are some super famous pieces and i am not sayinng that everyone has the same taste. i am saying if someone has the opportunity and time to explose kyara there is no competition PERIOD! lets not be ignorant about this. sentimental value is a different story, some people may view specific aroma so personal and connected to a point of time in life where things were a certain way, or even a specific laundry detergent, but beyond these memories and under a fair trial of comparing scents, nothing can come close to kyara, maybe pure full melt hashish. i have found in the past some extremely gorgeous aroma in hashish that is so otherworldy. anyway...

are the intoxicating effects of kyara not enough? the relaxing properties? the bliss and feelings of well being or the feelings of gratefull-ness that no other substance gives am i imagining these things everytime i heat them like a cannabis user imagines getting high??

the complexity of some pieces, just when you think you have realized the kyaras aroma in a specific cut, you are greeted with things you didnt see before, and again and again and even later the aromas arent the same any more. they change your noses understanding of them the way your brain perceives the same smell-shifting constituents. to me it taught me that the wood is truly magical, and via this magic opened up a lot of windows and connected many things in the way i experience it as compared to my first two years smelling kyara. it is also the best substance known to man for meditation in my opinion of course, i cant say the same about this part as i can about the aroma of the kyaras..

1. "who ever doesnt think kyara is a much deeper and beautiful rabbit hole than incense sticks simply is clueless of kyara LOL"
a) how can you prove this?
2. "an advanced nose can study the aroma of a lemon for many years and nothing big will be learned, but kyara's on the other hand...i cant empty my mind to fill up anyones."
a) again, how can you prove this?
3. "an amateur nose will prefer synthetics more (just trying to stretch a concept). a very advanced nose that spends most of its life obsessing over aromatics and their depth and beauty can not be fooled by less complex and less rare aroma as being better."
a) yet again, how can you prove this? how do you know this is true?
4. "are the intoxicating effects of kyara not enough? the relaxing properties? the bliss and feelings of well being or the feelings of gratefull-ness that no other substance gives am i imagining these things everytime i heat them like a cannabis user imagines getting high??"
a) When I smell kyara, I can say with a good degree of certainty, these things, for example: "I smell bitterness, a cool menthol, a sweet vanilla, and a cinnamon-like spice." Any description of kyara's scent other than that which describes its characteristics as a scent is, as far as the U.S. Congress, FDA, NIH, CDC, FBI, and CIA is concerned, completely subjective. I believe I said in an earlier post that just because the process of heating wood makes you focus on your breath does not mean that kyara really has these properties. As a matter of fact, Baieido Kobunboku makes me feel relaxed, well, and grateful. Does that mean Baieido Kobunboku has some kind of magical property or psychedelic substance that makes me feel that way? Really, I challenge you to prove that kyara has all of these special, supposedly psychedelic properties with scientific studies- if you do, don't blame me when kyara becomes a controlled substance and the FBI come knocking at your door.

 

[language scent]

1. "who ever doesnt think kyara is a much deeper and beautiful rabbit hole than incense sticks simply is clueless of kyara LOL"
a) how can you prove this?
2. "an advanced nose can study the aroma of a lemon for many years and nothing big will be learned, but kyara's on the other hand...i cant empty my mind to fill up anyones."
a) again, how can you prove this?
3. "an amateur nose will prefer synthetics more (just trying to stretch a concept). a very advanced nose that spends most of its life obsessing over aromatics and their depth and beauty can not be fooled by less complex and less rare aroma as being better."
a) yet again, how can you prove this? how do you know this is true?
4. "are the intoxicating effects of kyara not enough? the relaxing properties? the bliss and feelings of well being or the feelings of gratefull-ness that no other substance gives am i imagining these things everytime i heat them like a cannabis user imagines getting high??"
a) When I smell kyara, I can say with a good degree of certainty, these things, for example: "I smell bitterness, a cool menthol, a sweet vanilla, and a cinnamon-like spice." Any description of kyara's scent other than that which describes its characteristics as a scent is, as far as the U.S. Congress, FDA, CDC, FBI, and CIA is concerned, completely subjective. I believe I said in an earlier post that just because the process of heating wood makes you focus on your breath does not mean that kyara really has these properties. As a matter of fact, Baieido Kobunboku makes me feel relaxed, well, and grateful. Does that mean Baieido Kobunboku has some kind of magical property or psychedelic substance that makes me feel that way? Really, I challenge you to prove that kyara has all of these special, supposedly psychedelic properties with scientific studies- if you do, don't blame me when kyara becomes a controlled substance and the FBI come knocking at your door.

the thing is my friend, I DONT HAVE TO PROVE ANYTHING HAHAHAHA i well enjoy these magical woods and so do many others who have fell down that rabbit hole. but if your here asking me to prove that a lemon isnt as complex and beautiful of an aroma as kyara then thats like asking me to prove light to a blind man. i dont know anyone who thinks incense sticks can come close to kyara. most of the connoisseurs i speak to who also collect incense sticks and kyara know the truth. these are people who have invested lots of money in these things and have smelled them many times. an expert on something is not someone in new york who sprays fahrenheit perfume and burns some incense sticks. that perfume is very nice by the way and so are the incense sticks. but the facts dont change my friend. the olefactory senses are charmed by the kyaras more than any other aromatic known to man and those who have a huuuuge tradition as proffessional "SMELLERS" are not wrong about kyara just cause you dont think so, but for you the truth is based on your experience that doesnt make it the TRUTH TRUTH LOL just realize that with experience and study a lot of new things are learned and discovered.

you can go for a run outside and feel great after, you can do many things and feel amazing. only difference is, when you dont feel good or are a bit anxious or depressed its hard to go for a run, just pop some good kinam on the heater and also eat a tiny bit and you will notice a lot. i never said your incense sticks wont make you feel joy. if you really want me to prove that kyara is way more beautiful than lemon come to greece and i will heat some stuff up for you lol and we can cut some lemons from my all year round lemon tree and compare.

 

[Olfactory Nomad]

Ive found i enjoy more the lowest tier Dr Incense agarwood sticks (they actually smell like agarwood) to any Japanese sticks I've ever smelled. I'm still trying to offload a box of baiedo I bought early on for 100 bucks that I NEVER burn bc to me it just smells like perfumed sticks with zero agarwood.

For the same price, you could buy from kyarazen, Dr. Incense, craft incense, or many others and get a higher percentage agarwood stick that more directly represents a regional agarwood signature. I've even been disappointed with some of the "off-label" Japanese incense manufacturers selling "single-origin" style sticks - the cost to quality ratio is puzzling to me.

I think there's totally value in learning to love something over time but at nosebleed prices, I don't think an initial response of disappointment is fair either. It's gotta be a balance.

I realise @language scent and @Andrew Salkin that this is an old topic but the post I've just quoted is literally almost word for word where I am currently at. Lol. I have roughly ten packets of different Baieido sticks that I'd also like to move for the very same reasons. Just thought it was funny. Did you ever burn them by the way?