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Musk Pod Tincture

Discussion in 'Musk' started by Rai Munir, Sep 14, 2018.

  1. Rai Munir

    Rai Munir Musk Man

    Here it is Kashmiri and Tibetan Musk Pod Tincture: This is the strongest musky animalic fragrance. See the colour. I have to filter it again after two days to have more refined elixir.
    Kashmiri Tibetan Musk Pod Tincture.jpg

    The following ingredients are ready for the next tincture: I am sure you can easily identify all six ingredients. One thing for sure, all are quality ingredients as per my knowledge:Laugh:.
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    Castoreum tincture is already in progress. After preparing all, then I would go to blend them accordingly.
     
  2. Bryan-I

    Bryan-I True Ouddict

    What do you filter it through?

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  3. Rai Munir

    Rai Munir Musk Man

    I used a piece of cloth that has specific texture to filter liquid. Now I will collect the tincture with the help of a pipette. And the remains I will use in making kneaded balls.
     
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  4. Rai Munir

    Rai Munir Musk Man

    I am badly looking for oils of the ingredients in the picture. Not watery, but artisan. Once I desired Frangipani, and Tyson realized my dream. Two more out of six he has distilled; so, now four remain.

    Dear Tyson, I am very much confident that there is an ingredient, if it is distilled, or co distilled, it will give a unique touch to itr.

    If I could distill, I would have sent complimentary vials to all . That much raw material is available to me.
     
    Last edited: Sep 15, 2018
  5. Al Shareef Oudh

    Al Shareef Oudh Resident Artisan

    I am glad to see you enjoyed the experience that was offered by this exercise. As promised at the outset, now three+ months have passed and you kindly accepted our advice and completed the exercise, now as to why this was recommended to you; please compare the smell of this tincture with the musk grains that you have, and tell us which one (Siberian, Kashmiri, Tibetan) is closest in smell to this tincture.
     
  6. Fahad

    Fahad True Ouddict

    Not quite able to identify all Monsieur Munir.. Could I ask (pardon my ignorance) what exactly are those shiny globules on the top and the root like stuff on the right?
     
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  7. Rai Munir

    Rai Munir Musk Man

    Respected Fahad, the ingredients have been named:
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  8. Joe King

    Joe King AttitOud

    Respected @Rai Munir could you elaborate on what Loba'an is?
     
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    Arsalan True Ouddict

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    Joe King AttitOud

  11. alcolado glacial

    alcolado glacial True Ouddict

    Respected Rai Munir, care to explain how mastic and spikenard smell? These are new to me.
     
  12. Philip

    Philip Oud Fan

    Dear @Rai Munir is it generally easier to get Kashmiri and Tibetan musk in Pakistan than elsewhere? Here in the US I have exclusively found Siberian.

    (Not looking to purchase or seek vendors through the forum. I know it’s a sensitive topic. Just wondering)
     
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  13. Shabby

    Shabby Junior Member

    Dear uncle Rai, is that ingredient spikenard? If so, I would like to distill it. I have wanted to distill it for the last two years, so if you have that raw material I will happily purchase it from you!

    By the way, spikenard always fails in my blends and leaves a sour, sweaty note, although I am certain that it is potentially a transcendent fixative. I have one wild Himalayan spikenard oil from Eden Botanicals which is truly wonderful, but I have often wondered how it would smell after being distilled in a copper alembic.

    I am no artisan, but I recently distilled three oils: boswelia sacra, boswelia carterii, and a boswelia sacra and somalian myrrh codistillation. Now here is the surprise - the colours and the aromas are completely different to frankincense oils I have smelled before!

    I am completely indebted to @Taha for his advice and help when distilling these oils. But because I did very little 'artisanal' work for this - rather, I just watched the pot and followed my gut instinct and Taha's advice - a lot of the good outcome is owed to the copper alembic itself. There is something very magical, and indeed, alchemical about it.

    Uncle Rai, if you get the opportunity, do try distillation yourself! The cost for a copper alembic is just one artisanal oud oil, and I'm sure you would do a wonderful job! Then we will have both Tyson and yourself :)
     

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  14. Mr.P

    Mr.P Evoloudtionary Bioudlogist

    Mastic is like turpentine and fresh sap -can be chewed and is really delightful. Reminds me of the aroma of the paint studio my friend’s father kept in the barn next to his house.

    Spikenard - well, musk root is an apt moniker. Have you ever tried valerian root tea? There is this strange stinky-foot aroma - valerianic acid - that both share. They are in the same plant family. The spikenard however can have a very deep musty musky earthy richness that makes it just wonderful. Very relaxing and sedating aroma.

    I have smelled maybe 8-10 spikenard oils. Distillates, co2 extracts specifically. Some were amazingly rich and multilayered, some were bland, some were just foul. I have Consistently seen two types of oil on the market. One is sold as green spikenard and is generally more expensive, the other as brown and is a good bit cheaper. The brown is milder and more likely to be palatable to a wider range of people. But the green spikenard is the really great one that is very rich and deep challenging in the way that good Indian oud can be.

    Spikenard is essential -I picked up a kilo from yamada matsu a while back and it is a key ingredient in tinctures and incense mixtures. It brings patchouli, oud, vetiver, musk and valerian to mind.
     
  15. Rai Munir

    Rai Munir Musk Man

    Dearest and respected Shabby, much pleased to know about your new venture. A giant leap has been made by you. I am very happy to see the oils in picture.

    Yes, that is Spikenard/ Musk Root (Sunmbul al Teeb). Well, though I have enough and I can manage in bulk, the best place to acquire it is India. Just be careful about the quality. Different categories of spikenard are available on the market. A, B, and C. The one you see in the picture is A class.

    I myself am in search of Spikenard oil- an aritisanal one, and the one grown in the Subcontinent. Owing to its musky aroma, it truly is named Musk Root. I never found anything else musky at all. If you want to see Musk Root magic, pound a little bit spikenard, and then let your pet cat sniff it.

    Well, I have initiated a project to prepare tincture of these ingredients. First I prepared Musk Pod tincture. After filtering than, I have save some, and the rest I have used in preparing Saffron tincture. Next I will use this one for preparing Spikenard tincture.

    This is my desperate effort to extract these ingredients. Distilling them is my dream. I wish I could find a master. Even I haven't found somebody who could guide me how to make a distillation plant, a small one. Otherwise, I extracted hydrosol of all ingredients, and now tincturing is there to satiate my thirst. But all are desperate efforts.

    I will make an other effort to know about distillation plant. The rest I will do. Today I will start preparing Spikenard tincture to share the outcome. Second, I will macerate it in Sandal oil as well, but in November after getting more Sandal oil.

    Best wishes for you.
     
  16. Rai Munir

    Rai Munir Musk Man

    Respected Philip, just a bit easier it is to acquire Kashmiri Musk, but not Tibetan at all. Getting an unopened Kashmiri pod is chiefly based upon the nature of contacts with the seller hunters. Tibetan Musk can be acquired from different countries. I myself bought grains from other countries as well.

    I recently missed a Gilgiti Pod and a Kashmiri Pod. I couldn't visit the hunter due to my suffering from backache. Both gone with the wind. But I know, next year, in June and July, there will be another opportunity.
     
  17. alcolado glacial

    alcolado glacial True Ouddict

    Thank you Mr.P. Very descriptive, it is all clear to me now:thumbsup:
     
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  18. Hamza H

    Hamza H True Ouddict

    There is also hardly any left due to the fact the previous governments haven't bothered to protect them at all.

     
  19. Rai Munir

    Rai Munir Musk Man

    Ma'arkhour, Musk Deer, Teetar (Black Partridge)! None has got extinct, even today, though the population has decreased. Baltistan and Hazara are the areas where Musk Deer is found. The native themselves don't allow anyone else to hunt there. But, they themselves do so.
     
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  20. Rai Munir

    Rai Munir Musk Man

    Dear Shabby, I will be thankful if you post the pictures of your distillation plant. It will give me a vague idea to initiate working on it.

    Thank you very much.
     
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