Taif Rose

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  1. Mr.P

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    so, if I wanted to get a few ml of top grade fresh taif rose, and I live in the US, where do I go? I am comfortable ordering form overseas, just not sure who does mail order and sells small bottles and can 100% be trusted to have legit top quality oil.

    Thanks
     
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  2. Mr.P

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    Bump - taif rose?
     
  3. Hamza H

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    Try Al Shareef?
     
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  5. Azaad

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    I have heard conflicting information about Taif rose.

    My own advice is unless your buying top end ASAQ don’t even bother. Buying from other internet retailers is more likely to end in disappointment too. Only buy from Saudi companies who specialise in Taif rose and who charge a premium for it.

    Cheap Taif rose is never Taif. And most private vendors selling it, you can never be sure what your getting because they don’t follow all the way up the supply chain. My mate purchased 4 Taif samples and he’s a Rose connoisseur, and all of them were a disappointment.

    Bottom line, the absolute first grade Taif is very very very hard to acquire. In Saudi it retails for about $500 per tola. And you must pray that they didn’t mix some cheap Isparta in there.

    Heck even the Bulgarians mix Isparta rose oil in their oils too.

    Even though I have never smelt Taif I have it on good authority it is the best. Thereafter try Indian, it is much better than Bulgarian or Turkish.
    Then it’s a toss up between Turkish and Bulgarian... depending on who you buy it from and whether it was adulterated.

    I have some premium first press Turkish rose oil in transit, InshaAllah I should have it in 2 weeks assuming DHL don’t lose it. My Turkish friend has direct links in Isparta and has made an effort to buy 2019 and the best first press without second water reduction mixed in. I’ll let you know how it is as I have plenty of Rose oils to compare it with.
     
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  6. Azaad

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    The smaller vials is your everyday Rose Otto

    The larger bottle is the 2019 first press.

    I paid around €13 per ml
     

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  7. Al Shareef Oudh

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    You are quiet right the supply chain is the most important aspect in acquiring pure Taifi Rose and as I have said elsewhere on this forum, even if you are getting Taif rose oil, there are different grades of it.

    We finished distilling in Ramadan and we are allowing the rose to settle a bit before shipping it out of our distillery in Taif. For those who are new to the forum; my cousins own one of the 5 main distilleries in the taif valley. Within a couple of weeks we will be releasing our oils on the website.

    As with regards to mixing the oils, if you do not have access to the direct source then what you get on the market is very likely one of two scenarios ; Taif oil is now mixed with damask oil from the north and south of Saudi Arabia where they have started to grow the same rose type. or you are at the mercy of traders who will mix it with Turkish rose mainly, however as it departs saudi arabia than irani, bulgarian etc can all be mixed in.
     
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  8. Al Shareef Oudh

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    Thank you dear for the shout out! Allah barik feek
     
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  9. Mr.P

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    I will keep an eye out, thanks. I also have not felt comfortable buying from online sources because I don’t entirely trust the chain of possession and rose seems too easy to adulterate. having never smelled authentic taif rose, I would have no way of knowing if I made a good purchase or not.

    I haven’t seen taif rose for sale at the ASO website in the past but I will keep an eye out. I’m guessing it was there and just sold out before I noticed! Can’t really imagine buying this material from anyone else due to concerns about quality control and my inability to assess authenticity.

    I hope Al Shareef posts a notice here when it becomes available.
     
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  10. powdernose

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    ASO - Taif Rose is excellent.


    For someone who has never tried it you're quite outspoken on the matter.

    What does that mean?

    13$/ml for this first press? You showed 2 products but listed one price.
     
  11. Azaad

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    Never tried it but 1) it’s not easy or cheap to acquire 2) I’m in the process of acquiring it from someone I trust 3) outspoken and right you mean??... didnt ASO agree with what I wrote?

    Taif rose isn’t your run of the mill, here take as much as you want product.

    Smaller vials are everyday run of the mill Turkish rose. The larger bottle is the first press. Hope that clarifies things.
     
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  12. powdernose

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    No, of course not.

    Not mutually exclusive. :D
    If you need my slight objection spelled out though, what I meant is that this strong recommendation: "unless your buying top end ASAQ don’t even bother", was a bit odd considering you've not tried any Taifi ottos yet.

    I got that.
    What I was asking was which one are you giving a price for? (13$/ml)

    Also, what does this mean? :
    "best first press without second water reduction mixed in."

    Thanks
     
  13. Rai Munir

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    It is an undeniable fact the rose blooms in June, July and August are more rosy, fragrant and vibrant than those of in any other month. So, which crop is distilled is important enough. Second, age of the oil is important as well. I am fully convinced fresh rose oil is better and pricey than the aged one.

    The question is from where to acquire the rose oil, both fresh and distilled during peak season.

    ASAQ' s Rose is excellent to smell.
    Majid Iterji's Rose oil is very good.
    Oud Elite's Rose (the top one available on the website) is a good one.

    Dear Sarfraz, private contacts are not with us all. If you have, and can acquire oil, and you willingly split the oil, I am in.
     
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  14. Azaad

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    Taif season is March April
    Bulgarian is Apr May June and Turkey I’m assuming is similar
    Indian is in Apr May

    I’m pretty sure those are the months for these rose producing countries.
     
  15. Azaad

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    The Bulgarians and the Arabs are known to adulterate their own oils with Turkish rose. Why? Turkish is the cheapest or one of the cheapest rose offerings. That is why I said unless you can follow up the supply chain to the source I wouldn’t recommend buying of anybody who says they have Taif rose. There are plenty of rose oil companies in Saudi who sell oil but be prepared to pay around $150 for 3ml for the real deal. There is a rose festival in Taif too these days. Also you can find YouTube videos of distillers showcasing their harvest. Follow the chain and hope for the best.

    Unless you have an Isparta, Bulgarian, Hindi and Taif in front of you to compare, it’s quite difficult to pick out every region specific note.

    Lastly the €13 was for first press.

    Simply put the oil is collected as part of the distillation process but not in its entirety. The water used in the distillation process also holds some oil too. So as I understand it, that water is then reduced to collect the remaining oil.

    Here comes the confusing part, this two part process is sometimes called 1st, sometimes 1 & 2.

    Then you have oil produced as the season starts to end, that isn’t as good as the peak season petal oil, then you have stuff which went into the cooking pot late or the petals were a bit brown.

    Sometimes they keep each oil separate and grade it, other times it’s put together and sold as one.
     
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  16. Azaad

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    For the most interesting part...

    Turkish / Bulgarian vs Taif - Taif wins hands down in all areas except price.
    Hindi beats Turkish / Bulgarian hands down except in price.
    Hindi vs Taif - if you can find a top Hindi, it’s not a million miles off Taif, I can’t mention the name but I once sent a sample to a very famous internet vendor and he thought the sample was very close to Taif.

    If Hindi is $60-65 for 3ml and Taif is $150 for 3ml... what would you buy?
     
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  17. Rai Munir

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    Taifi
     
  18. Azaad

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    Even if the difference was 5-10%?
     
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    Though not as experienced as others here on Ouddict I want to add my views here. At the ASQ flagship store at Dubai they were kind enough to let me try all the 3 grades of pure taif oils. The first grade and the finest was 2500 dirhams ( if I remember correctly) for a tola.
    I also had the opportunity to try a sample of taif rose by Al shareef. It was sent to me by Rojas. And imho it was even better than the Asaq oil. It was gourmandish if I may say so.
     
  20. Fahad

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    Monsieur Munir any comment on the Kamal Taifi compared to ASAQ?
     
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