Calling All Oud chemistry buffs: Nitrogen Flushing & advanced aging Notes

[LasLunas]

Another thing
İ asked the source and proves of its answers,gave me some researches
Right but absent,i mean
There is research, yes, but the interpretation is wrong
Ultimately, it feeds on an environment that is a garbage dump of information (I'm talking about an environment where people claim to distill at 80c under atmospheric pressure)
İf you dont know the temp mentioned is temp of steam,and steams character is different in every part of setup,on column (lower or higher parts) or on pot etc all are different
So you need some knowladge and fix it with repeated questions
Otherwise as i said when wanted to go to pole,you can find yourself in desert

So TRUE!

 

[LasLunas]

Keep in mind Ai will just regurgitate what it thinks you want to hear. Never trust anything Ai says over actual experts.

For certain! Never Trust an Atom, They Make Up Everything!
LOL

 

[LasLunas]

Last 2-3 days i was checking this chatgbt,also paid for it to see
For basic knowlade it sounds good
But if you really want to do something serious and if you dont have a deep knowledge,when you want to go to pole,you can find yourself in desert
İ saw this in 3 days.
It strictly sticks to first answers and confirms you

Agree 100%

 

[LasLunas]

Keep in mind Ai will just regurgitate what it thinks you want to hear. Never trust anything Ai says over actual experts.

True, true, true. Lest us not forget that often "experts" have conflicting or varying interpretation of "data or information."
The variance in interpretations should raise new questions to sort the information. Good scientists, or any professional, should always challenge themselves. This is how we as individuals, and our library of knowledge grows.
Just an opinion, not a fact!

 

[mesOUD]

Help...
So oxidation and aging are complementary, albeit different processes? This is what I thought, but confused again.
Does one desire both processes for a well rounded, fully reacted oil?
Will someone speak to the process of "Polymerization" of the heavy fractions, are we speaking of esterification, or actual polymerization?
So curious....

İt is actually estetification
Polymerization is something we dont want.
And yes oxidation is a part of ageing,but ageing is not just about oxidation

 

[LasLunas]

İt is actually estetification
Polymerization is something we dont want.
And yes oxidation is a part of ageing,but ageing is not just about oxidation

As I expected, the carboxylic acids reacting with alcohols present in the oils from distillation, would that be correct? I am not an expert in organic synthesis but recall that this is a pathway for esterification. This reaction yields water molecules as a byproduct, correct? So water is known to effect polymerization of some heavier molecules in oil, and of course is not the only constituent to impact polymerization, several variables play a role.
Is it fair to generalize as follows: the esterification reactions of lighter (smaller) molecules in Oud Oil generate floral/fruity aromas, yield water which in time is one of the variables impacting "aging," and/or polymerization?

Therefore, analysis of same oil at intervals might elucidate actual processes at work here.
Comments desired please...

 

[mesOUD]

As I expected, the carboxylic acids reacting with alcohols present in the oils from distillation, would that be correct? I am not an expert in organic synthesis but recall that this is a pathway for esterification. This reaction yields water molecules as a byproduct, correct? So water is known to effect polymerization of some heavier molecules in oil, and of course is not the only constituent to impact polymerization, several variables play a role.
Is it fair to generalize as follows: the esterification reactions of lighter (smaller) molecules in Oud Oil generate floral/fruity aromas, yield water which in time is one of the variables impacting "aging," and/or polymerization?

Therefore, analysis of same oil at intervals might elucidate actual processes at work here.
Comments desired please...

I have absolutely no background in chemistry the last chemistry class I took was 26 years ago. My knowledge related to chemistry is nothing more than curiosity.
I studied economics, but i like to know what is happening in my pot and to my oils.
İ think right adress for chemistry is @Mr.P
Edit:i forgot lou is here,also @Loulikesoud is chemist

 

[LasLunas]

I think the best to prevent oxidation is to store in a flame sealed glass ampule that has been purged with nitrogen.

Agree 100%

 

[SteveE]

Agree on all this, let’s also leave a little bit to mystery and chance and (dare I say ) God

 

[Ahmaoud]

I have absolutely no background in chemistry the last chemistry class I took was 26 years ago. My knowledge related to chemistry is nothing more than curiosity.
I studied economics, but i like to know what is happening in my pot and to my oils.
İ think right adress for chemistry is @Mr.P
Edit:i forgot lou is here,also @Loulikesoud is chemist

Yup whenever I think about chemistry questions I think of asking Lou!

There's also @Oudh Analytics who I believe is more of a researcher in the industrial extraction of essential oils.

 

[LasLunas]

Yup whenever I think about chemistry questions I think of asking Lou!

There's also @Oudh Analytics who I believe is more of a researcher in the industrial extraction of essential oils.

Good to know, maybe they have conducted similar survey and can/will provide some missing links.
Or as suggested just leave the mystery of it all to our imaginations......

 

[LasLunas]

Yup whenever I think about chemistry questions I think of asking Lou!

There's also @Oudh Analytics who I believe is more of a researcher in the industrial extraction of essential oils.

Thank You,
I will explore further.

 

[LasLunas]

Yup whenever I think about chemistry questions I think of asking Lou!

There's also @Oudh Analytics who I believe is more of a researcher in the industrial extraction of essential oils.

Thank You for the info, I just read some of the threads from them, exactly what I have been seeking.
Terrific info!

 

[Oudh Analytics]

Thank You for the info, I just read some of the threads from them, exactly what I have been seeking.
Terrific info!

Hi @LasLunas , I have not had a chance to look back the whole thread what you are exactly after. I am also a learner on Oudh like you. Yet feel to give something back to the community if I have any opportunities. Here is the link of a topic I have written here a while ago and this helps a bit on the way to your curiosity: :https://www.ouddict.com/threads/storage-condition-aging-influence-on-essential-oils-quality.8155/.

 

[Ouddypie]

So has its uses. It searches millions of websites to answer your questions. But creativity is uniquely a life function.

Searches millions of message boards and Facebook groups*

Most of the information regarding Oud on the internet comes from message boards, IG comments, Reddit, Facebook, and places like this. There isn’t millions of websites related to Oud discussions unfortunately nor is there even thousands of research papers. It’s a niche topic.

 

[Mr.P]

Searches millions of message boards and Facebook groups*

Most of the information regarding Oud on the internet comes from message boards, IG comments, Reddit, Facebook, and places like this. There isn’t millions of websites related to Oud discussions unfortunately nor is there even thousands of research papers. It’s a niche topic.

Given the huge number of fan sites out there and judging by what instagram wants to feed me if i let it, relative to anything like this forum, the text that the LLMs have available to analyze is highly suspect at best. Bordering on garbage. And ratcheting further downhill with each automated Google AI generated response to a search query I would guess.

 

[LasLunas]

Given the huge number of fan sites out there and judging by what instagram wants to feed me if i let it, relative to anything like this forum, the text that the LLMs have available to analyze is highly suspect at best. Bordering on garbage. And ratcheting further downhill with each automated Google AI generated response to a search query I would guess.

Agree!!! Yet the masses go on to quote this information with an air of authority.