MFH - Experiments & Materials

[Mr.P]

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Still at fridge temp. here. I expect it to be a semi-solid at room temperature, so i've put it in a cream jar.
😎 If it turns out unsuitable for my blending idea, it has the right package to be used as lip balm 😎

So this is jojoba wax infused with the aroma of cocunut oil?

 

[MaxFromHolland]

So this is jojoba wax infused with the aroma of cocunut oil?

Yes (well not coconut oil, but the coconut cream). Turning more liquid than expected, so maybe it can be stored in a bottle. Its still cold.

 

[Mr.P]

Yes. Turning more liquid than expected, so maybe it can be stored in a bottle. Its still cold.
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how is the aroma? did it transfer pretty well? This is all very interesting - you're the first person I've seen doing these types of experiments with liquid-liquid transfers and oil or wax based extraction! very curious to see how this all progresses

 

[MaxFromHolland]

how is the aroma? did it transfer pretty well? This is all very interesting - you're the first person I've seen doing these types of experiments with liquid-liquid transfers and oil or wax based extraction! very curious to see how this all progresses

I just edited my prev answer.
Arctanger talks about coconut absolue using solvent. That put me on the wrong track as using solvent only complicates things. Santen melts in hot water, so you get fatty water. Adding jojoba and some good shaking is all thats needed for the fats to bind to the jojoba.
The water sits as a buffer between the desired product and the precipitate with is very welcome because i think filtration would be a pain in the backdoor.
First impression smelling it is butter, then some sweetness and then coconut. Think strenght is okay, scent is close to skin, but thats to be expected.
For now im curious what i end up with at roomtemp, hoping it doesn't seperate.
In the rare event that the intended blend actually makes sense, i probably should use the copaiba directly instead of jojoba.

 

[Mr.P]

I just edited my prev answer.
Arctanger talks about coconut absolue using solvent. That put me on the wrong track as using solvent only complicates things. Santen melts in hot water, so you get fatty water. Adding jojoba and some good shaking is all thats needed for the fats to bind to the jojoba.
The water sits as a buffer between the desired product and the precipitate with is very welcome because i think filtration would be a pain in the backdoor.
First impression smelling it is butter, then some sweetness and then coconut. Think strenght is okay, scent is close to skin, but thats to be expected.
For now im curious what i end up with at roomtemp, hoping it doesn't seperate.
In the rare event that the intended blend actually makes sense, i probably should use the copaiba directly instead of jojoba.

would it be practical to re-infuse the same oil with a fresh batch of coconut milk? So you could get double or triple strength?

 

[MaxFromHolland]

All in all it think liquid-liquid extraction is very interesting for you could go to extremes like a full gallon of scented water and 5 ml of oil, as long as you can physically shake it well enough for the oil to form microdroplets. But then you may want to make friends with the local paintshop owner to use the paintbucket shaker machine though 🙂
For my final bottle of coumarine oil i used 1,5 liter in multiple sessions (infuse oil, separate, infuse again etc)

 

[MaxFromHolland]

would it be practical to re-infuse the same oil with a fresh batch of coconut milk? So you could get double or triple strength?

That is what i did with the coumarin. But i got the uneducated impression that in this case the jojoba is pretty much saturated.
Edit: if it is saturated with the fats i can only accumulate more scent molecules(?) in further batches, which would likely enhance the cocos scent(?) while its the fatty cream i'm after.

 

[MaxFromHolland]

Yes (well not coconut oil, but the coconut cream). Turning more liquid than expected, so maybe it can be stored in a bottle. Its still cold.
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Quick recap:
On a quest to find affordable good sandalwood oil i bought some disappointing samples. One smelling like soap, the other one's first impression was like 'how is did not just copaiba?' Which sparked curiousity: what if i add a creamy lactonic note to copaiba?

I've ended up with 3 preliminary tests:
Copaiba+cocos extract
Remains too much 'copaiba' with sugar-sweet note
Amyris+cocos
Now this is interesting as it does actually has a sandalwood vibe with a real creamy note. It only lacks something of a dark brown wood in the base
Keen to explore this further for sure
Alcohol cocos extract in copaiba
This is 200ml saturated ethanol blended with 15ml copaiba, with the ethanol then removed. This turned out as clearly cocos scented oil with a balsamic base if that makes sense.
Nice in its own way but not what i was looking for. I can mix some drops with some pure copaiba to explore different ratios but am more interested in exploring the Amyris test further.

 

[MaxFromHolland]

Things are a bit slow as my body is dealing with the flu without much of a hurry.
I did manage to make the last mods on my distiller permanent and made a tincture of garam masala (food spice mix).
Made a dark spicy base which also includes coffee and added a dash of red champaca absolute as heart and Siberian iris as top note.
Nothing spectacular but its the first time i tried something floral (and actually use some of my own extracts as well).
Got some birch bark enroute to soak and distill. Should smell like wintergreen or tigerbalm, whatever sounds more familiar 🙂

 

[Mr.P]

Things are a bit slow as my body is dealing with the flu without much of a hurry.
I did manage to make the last mods on my distiller permanent and made a tincture of garam masala (food spice mix).
Made a dark spicy base which also includes coffee and added a dash of red champaca absolute as heart and Siberian iris as top note.
Nothing spectacular but its the first time i tried something floral (and actually use some of my own extracts as well).
Got some birch bark enroute to soak and distill. Should smell like wintergreen or tigerbalm, whatever sounds more familiar 🙂

is that black birch?

 

[MaxFromHolland]

is that black birch?

Betula lenta.

 

[Mr.P]

Betula lenta.

that's black birch!

 

[MaxFromHolland]

that's black birch!

Or so i thought..
But (ofcourse) in "Betula L." The L stands for Linnaeus and not Lenta.
<Insert loud DUH!>
So now i bought and received a bag of white birch bark which can be collected during a healthy stroll for free 🙂

Oh well, i'll use it anyway, for it should at least produce something woody. And I like woody.

 

[Mr.P]

Or so i thought..
But (ofcourse) in "Betula L." The L stands for Linnaeus and not Lenta.
<Insert loud DUH!>
So now i bought and received a bag of white birch bark which can be collected during a healthy stroll for free 🙂

Oh well, i'll use it anyway, for it should at least produce something woody. And I like woody.

Combusted white birch bark produces that classic birch tar scent. This might be a great material for destructive distillation...

 

[MaxFromHolland]

Running it's smoke trough a bubbler into something would be a nice experiment some day (TGA posted a new clip few days ago btw, burning agarwood into sandalwood if i remember correcty). That would require building some stuff first though..
It says somewhere that the bark should yield (some) oil if you soak it first, so that i wil try with this bag.

 

[Mr.P]

Running it's smoke trough a bubbler into something would be a nice experiment some day (TGA posted a new clip few days ago btw, burning agarwood into sandalwood if i remember correcty). That would require building some stuff first though..
It says somewhere that the bark should yield (some) oil if you soak it first, so that i wil try with this bag.

I just checked that out thanks for bringing it to my attention. Always interesting to see what that guy is up to! I forget what his username is here...

 

[MaxFromHolland]

I just checked that out thanks for bringing it to my attention. Always interesting to see what that guy is up to! I forget what his username is here...

Alfonso aka @Kinamik 🙂

 

[MaxFromHolland]

Just started a Strawberry leaf tincture. Actually it's both dried branches with leafs. The dry matter has a mild red fruit scent. Eventually i'll concentrate it 20:1 hoping for a more pronounced red fruit. That would be très useful 🙂

 

[Mr.P]

Just started a Strawberry leaf tincture. Actually it's both dried branches with leafs. The dry matter has a mild red fruit scent. Eventually i'll concentrate it 20:1 hoping for a more pronounced red fruit. That would be très useful 🙂

I made a resinoid of "sweet fern" I collected from the woods around my father's house… it had a distinct strawberry aroma in its top and middle notes, with a dry down like labdanum of all things... surprising stuff. It's not literally a fern, that's just the common name.

 

[MaxFromHolland]

Also got some dried Iceland moss which should smell "Deeply earthy, woody, wet, lichen-like, and slightly smoky" or a bit like oakmoss. (Both aren't mosses at all but lichen, should you care about such details)
However, even a 10 liter can of alcohol appears to have a bottom, so Iceland will have to wait.