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This is what happened when brainwashed people were coerced to make everyone think that if someone had the freedom to chose they were dangerous time bombs. I mean if you got it and it was safe and effective then you should just shut the fuck up and let people have their choice instead of being a big pharma puppet of blindness. Listen to the whole speach of this man and not just a minute of it. There are some very good and moral points to it.

 
sadly the system run by greedy corporations demonized the nobel prize winners who stressed the importance of not ever using mRNA injections on humanity, gaslighting, paying for science, witholding science, lying to the public, forcing and dehumanizing for the transhumanist agenda that posed as a vaccine......i know this is a agarwood forum we all escape to but this is a serious topic and they are loading for a second run with their new bird pandemic that is loading and will be on come next flu season. good luck to everyone, i hope you dont fall for the scam again and consent to the greeds propaganda and fear tactics

 
1) Prophets and Messengers don't talk and act under passions or hallucinations. and dreams are part of prophecy. (when you have a specific status obviously, don't come saying that all what you dream is then true... lol)

2) The moral is to show how loyal and submissive and the status of Abraham while having full certitude. Even if Abraham would have killed his son, God gives and takes and there would be a wiseness behind that. And Prophets and Messengers have specific status, they are not like regular human beings like you. There are extremists everywhere for everything, especially for the people who love to argue constantly or desperately want to be seen. Vegan extremists are also dangerous and are assaulting butchers.... so... lol LGBT extremists are also very dangerous actually reaching some high level of hatred etc to people who are not thinking like them.... and most Extremists in all religions are usually trained and influenced by internal gov agencies.... if you are talking about ISIS or Al Qaeda etc Hilary Clinton herself said that they created and funded them.... lol
Nobody is aware that there are also for exemple cops in civilian outfit during protest to start fight and burning stuff to decredibilize the movement and the protestation?

And Abraham was already aware about his Lord and His attributes as he had pefect moral and had divine knowledge since long time ago. He also asked God how he was reviving the death through birds, so why would he fear anything for his child?

2:260 And ˹remember˺ when Abraham said, “My Lord! Show me how you give life to the dead.” Allah responded, “Do you not believe?” Abraham replied, “Yes I do, but just so my heart can be reassured.” Allah said, “Then bring four birds, train them to come to you, ˹then cut them into pieces,˺ and scatter them on different hilltops. Then call them back, they will fly to you in haste. And ˹so you will˺ know that Allah is Almighty, All-Wise.”

Like also the vertuous servant who killed a child in front of Moise and was tested through him.

18:74 So they proceeded until they came across a boy, and the man killed him. Moses protested, “Have you killed an innocent soul, who killed no one? You have certainly done a horrible thing.”
18:75 He answered, “Did I not tell you that you cannot have patience with me?”
18:78 He replied, “This is the parting of our ways. I will explain to you what you could not bear patiently.
18:80 “And as for the boy, his parents were ˹true˺ believers, and we1 feared that he would pressure them into defiance and disbelief.
18:81 So we hoped that their Lord would give them another, more virtuous and caring in his place.

Does it mean that God allow people to kill children like that? You can see that the virtuous servant had a greater status than Moise who was himself a Prophet and a Messenger (actually one of the highest ranks), and you can also see by yourself that Moise didn't agree with this kind of behavior.

There is a reason for everything, it's like people saying why people are dying every day, why there are wars, why people do this and do that, why God allows this and that. They plan and God is planning too and God is the best of Planners.
 
1) Prophets and Messengers don't talk and act under passions or hallucinations. and dreams are part of prophecy. (when you have a specific status obviously, don't come saying that all what you dream is then true... lol)

2) The moral is to show how loyal and submissive and the status of Abraham while having full certitude. Even if Abraham would have killed his son, God gives and takes and there would be a wiseness behind that. And Prophets and Messengers have specific status, they are not like regular human beings like you. There are extremists everywhere for everything, especially for the people who love to argue constantly or desperately want to be seen. Vegan extremists are also dangerous and are assaulting butchers.... so... lol LGBT extremists are also very dangerous actually reaching some high level of hatred etc to people who are not thinking like them.... and most Extremists in all religions are usually trained and influenced by internal gov agencies.... if you are talking about ISIS or Al Qaeda etc Hilary Clinton herself said that they created and funded them.... lol
Nobody is aware that there are also for exemple cops in civilian outfit during protest to start fight and burning stuff to decredibilize the movement and the protestation?

And Abraham was already aware about his Lord and His attributes as he had pefect moral and had divine knowledge since long time ago. He also asked God how he was reviving the death through birds, so why would he fear anything for his child?

2:260 And ˹remember˺ when Abraham said, “My Lord! Show me how you give life to the dead.” Allah responded, “Do you not believe?” Abraham replied, “Yes I do, but just so my heart can be reassured.” Allah said, “Then bring four birds, train them to come to you, ˹then cut them into pieces,˺ and scatter them on different hilltops. Then call them back, they will fly to you in haste. And ˹so you will˺ know that Allah is Almighty, All-Wise.”

Like also the vertuous servant who killed a child in front of Moise and was tested through him.

18:74 So they proceeded until they came across a boy, and the man killed him. Moses protested, “Have you killed an innocent soul, who killed no one? You have certainly done a horrible thing.”
18:75 He answered, “Did I not tell you that you cannot have patience with me?”
18:78 He replied, “This is the parting of our ways. I will explain to you what you could not bear patiently.
18:80 “And as for the boy, his parents were ˹true˺ believers, and we1 feared that he would pressure them into defiance and disbelief.
18:81 So we hoped that their Lord would give them another, more virtuous and caring in his place.

Does it mean that God allow people to kill children like that? You can see that the virtuous servant had a greater status than Moise who was himself a Prophet and a Messenger (actually one of the highest ranks), and you can also see by yourself that Moise didn't agree with this kind of behavior.

There is a reason for everything, it's like people saying why people are dying every day, why there are wars, why people do this and do that, why God allows this and that. They plan and God is planning too and God is the best of Planners.
I agree with you on 99% of the things I just don’t give credit to any prophets and gods.

So the whole reason is that this god can save his creation by believing in him. So there is no free will since he appeared to Abraham l, Abraham lost his free will and was convinced to abide and since god is all knowing he knew this and knew the outcome. So in short it’s just a story to make people obedient for paranoid minds like me. Many different minds exist and see things differently.

The whole stories of monotheism are threats and diminish the “experiment” of free will. Or will we say that it doesn’t matter to god who chooses to follow because of fear of hell??

The only way to truly test free will of men is to not intervene and see their true intentions and true morals and intelligence…assuming you are a god who forgets he already knows the outcome.

The most important question tho that has no excuse is if he knows evil and evils capability then why let evil do evil? Is revenge a good enough excuse for you? To allow a rapist to rape and a murderer to murder for the sake of revenge when you already knew the outcome of the rapists? It’s just mindless babble lol it’s just a program to create cults that will fight for the kings needs and we saw it throughout history
 
My freiends this discussion is meaningless to be here
Politics,religion
Every one is free and can get their desicions,being non religious,being Cristian,muslim,jew these are people’s choice
And totally meaningless talk about
It’s not meaningless. We sharpen our logic weather religious or not. A Christian or Muslim or whatever has beliefs and these beliefs can be further seen when talking to a non religious person. Vice versus also is there to show someone like me weather or not true logic can be seen in the minds of abraham. To me it’s all just an interesting conversation. Sadly some people feel they need to get angry because they feel if they don’t that their god will punish them…at least how I see it. No reason for any of us brothers to feel angry at each others words.
 
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