A Call To All "the Perfumist" Customers

[oudforgreatness]

Its prob first time buyers

Yup I was a victim to his scam. I spent around 200 USD and it didn't take me more than 30 seconds to figure out his synthetic shit. Along with a "CamRemarkable" oil I ordered he sent me a 300 usd worth sampler of all oils per him lol. I immediately emailed him about same about return and he offered a refund though never acknowledged his lies. He kept pointing out to some lab tests 🤦🏻

 

[oudforgreatness]

I am grateful to this community of trusted and vetted artisans/vendors.

 

[language scent]

😂🤣

Like all the mainstream perfumes that use chemicals, it seems people really REALLY LOVE this master perfumers creations.

We all bashing for the truth about his oils NOT BEING true oils and I agree. But he still could be very good at creating perfumes. I mean people don’t care about chemicals.

 

[language scent]

This dude got 217,000 subscribers lol raves about the Sri Lanka oil! Anyone wanna split????????? 😂🤣 let’s get a tola!

 

[Sproaty]

ugh

 

[Rename]

This dude got 217,000 subscribers lol raves about the Sri Lanka oil! Anyone wanna split????????? 😂🤣 let’s get a tola!

I had a client swing by yesterday - and I actually got the try the CAM Remarkable he mentions in this video :

Wouldn’t be surprised if this was 100% synthetic.

Also was able to try his Seufi Oud oils - can ya guess? Same thing. Synthetic.

I do find it funny that the reviewer read off some of the marketing schpeel. Of note, I thought it was funny when he said his fragrances are 100% Natural AND Vegan.

Vegan? Even the ones that supposedly contain Musk or Civet or Ambergris? 🙄

The “White Ambergris” I know well. You smell this all over in the Gulf shops. It’s an synthetic Ambergris compound made by a French company. Can buy a Liter of it for like $1,000 - but he’s selling quarter Tolas of it for $500, if I recall what I was told he paid for it correctly.

Tried several products from 4 other vendors that he brought with him yesterday - including a Russian market vendor claiming to be selling CO2 extracts (all synthetic), as well as our favorite Harry Potter fan. Same exact notes. Same exact “Gazelle Musk” synthetic musks that to me smell like rubber tires. Same synthetic “White Musk” notes.

It’s no wonder so many people out there are confused about Naturals when it’s these kinds of synthetic products being sold as naturals, and why so few are willing to trust people doing the actual work in naturals.

Who wants to start a fund to start lab testing some of this garbage?

 

[hamudi1981]

I had a client swing by yesterday - and I actually got the try the CAM Remarkable he mentions in this video :

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Wouldn’t be surprised if this was 100% synthetic.

Also was able to try his Seufi Oud oils - can ya guess? Same thing. Synthetic.


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I do find it funny that the reviewer read off some of the marketing schpeel. Of note, I thought it was funny when he said his fragrances are 100% Natural AND Vegan.

Vegan? Even the ones that supposedly contain Musk or Civet or Ambergris? 🙄

The “White Ambergris” I know well. You smell this all over in the Gulf shops. It’s an synthetic Ambergris compound made by a French company. Can buy a Liter of it for like $1,000 - but he’s selling quarter Tolas of it for $500, if I recall what I was told he paid for it correctly.

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Tried several products from 4 other vendors that he brought with him yesterday - including a Russian market vendor claiming to be selling CO2 extracts (all synthetic), as well as our favorite Harry Potter fan. Same exact notes. Same exact “Gazelle Musk” synthetic musks that to me smell like rubber tires. Same synthetic “White Musk” notes.

It’s no wonder so many people out there are confused about Naturals when it’s these kinds of synthetic products being sold as naturals, and why so few are willing to trust people doing the actual work in naturals.

Who wants to start a fund to start lab testing some of this garbage?

Down to start a fund 🤣

 

[hamudi1981]

If this dude didnt spend so much on marketing noone would buy this crap, ppl dont realize paid influencers r paid to say something is good

 

[Loulikesoud]

I suspect this is more common than what is actually reported. Any time there's a buck to be made, people will dilute. I see it all the time in the precious metals industry and they have WAY WAY WAY stricter controls than this cottage industry of tree oils.

I'm no organic chemist or oud chemist, but I am a chemist and I've run GC and HPLC-MS more than a few times. I have to do a lot of statistical data examination at work and know my way around Excel. What's some more work for a good cause?

There's a local laboratory down the road from me with a very high integrity owner with the right equipment and competent analysts. Things going there get a chain-of-custody like they're evidence (because much of what they do IS evidence for legal reasons). I'd be willing to help coordinate an oud-by-specie and region analysis campaign.

Al-hashimi has some really good blog posts about the genetic descent of oud, as well as his trademarked oud review wheel. I found it interesting and useful I think to defining the contributing odor principle(s) by region/type of tree.

I think this would require HPLC/ head space GC-MS of authentic high grade oils that this community considers exceptional examples of the region and specie they represent. They would set the bar of comparison. In other words, we would look for an internal standard, or an analyte present in ALL ouds and one present ONLY in oud of specific geography/specie. We could even do radiocarbon dating on it to prove the age of some of these and see If indeed there are compounds that only appear in very, very, very old trees. In an interesting benefit to nuclear testing, trees that were felled and distilled before atmospheric tests were conducted should be discernible. Same thing with sandal.

After we've done this work, we can then check for adulterants/diluents (I have bought oud that lasts two hours but is still oily with no smell, hmm, wonder what that is, cough phthalates!), random fake bullcrap, etc.


What say you all? Anyone have good labs? Anyone want to take this on?

 

[language scent]

its crazy how such toxic garbage is loved by so many...just mind blowing

 

[Rename]

I suspect this is more common than what is actually reported. Any time there's a buck to be made, people will dilute. I see it all the time in the precious metals industry and they have WAY WAY WAY stricter controls than this cottage industry of tree oils.

I'm no organic chemist or oud chemist, but I am a chemist and I've run GC and HPLC-MS more than a few times. I have to do a lot of statistical data examination at work and know my way around Excel. What's some more work for a good cause?

There's a local laboratory down the road from me with a very high integrity owner with the right equipment and competent analysts. Things going there get a chain-of-custody like they're evidence (because much of what they do IS evidence for legal reasons). I'd be willing to help coordinate an oud-by-specie and region analysis campaign.

Al-hashimi has some really good blog posts about the genetic descent of oud, as well as his trademarked oud review wheel. I found it interesting and useful I think to defining the contributing odor principle(s) by region/type of tree.

I think this would require HPLC/ head space GC-MS of authentic high grade oils that this community considers exceptional examples of the region and specie they represent. They would set the bar of comparison. In other words, we would look for an internal standard, or an analyte present in ALL ouds and one present ONLY in oud of specific geography/specie. We could even do radiocarbon dating on it to prove the age of some of these and see If indeed there are compounds that only appear in very, very, very old trees. In an interesting benefit to nuclear testing, trees that were felled and distilled before atmospheric tests were conducted should be discernible. Same thing with sandal.

After we've done this work, we can then check for adulterants/diluents (I have bought oud that lasts two hours but is still oily with no smell, hmm, wonder what that is, cough phthalates!), random fake bullcrap, etc.


What say you all? Anyone have good labs? Anyone want to take this on?

You’re talking big money there, especially with radio-carbon dating 😆

Keep it simple. Need more than just the GC - we need a good INTERPRETATION. 2 labs I can think of. One here in the US. One in Canada. Expect about $600 per test.

 

[Youssef]

It looks like they're even coping the bottle design from feel oud hahaha. I feel bad for those who got scammed by this fraudster YouTuber and his friends, but just goes to show you can't trust ANYONE when it comes to oud.

 

[McOudtrade]

You’re talking big money there, especially with radio-carbon dating 😆

Keep it simple. Need more than just the GC - we need a good INTERPRETATION. 2 labs I can think of. One here in the US. One in Canada. Expect about $600 per test.

Which one would you recommend in canada? 👀

 

[Loulikesoud]

The interpretation of real or fake is only knowable by comparing against a standard oud and if oud has a different odor profile by age, tree, species, etc. we would probably have to overlap 3-5 different oud oils of each species, see what the retention times are all at the same mobile phase/column conditions/detector conditions and see what overlaps. That would be our oud fingerprint. Of course we'd look for stuff that doesn't belong, like various oils, phthalates, and other stuff. There are hundreds of compounds in oud, some of them unique to oud and impossible for us mere mortals to synth, some of them in other things.
Someone here posted a really, really good study of cultivated Kinam and the odor profiles and odor character principles.
I think this references it:

Agarwood—The Fragrant Molecules of a Wounded Tree - PMC

Agarwood, popularly known as oudh or gaharu, is a fragrant resinous wood of high commercial value, traded worldwide and primarily used for its distinctive fragrance in incense, perfumes, and medicine. This fragrant wood is created when Aquilaria ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Keep it simple. Need more than just the GC - we need a good INTERPRETATION. 2 labs I can think of. One here in the US. One in Canada. Expect about $600 per test.

Any time you start talking about a bunch of samples and dilutions and naturals...it ends up being big money. Naturals suck to analyze but still have common threads tying them together regardless of region. Radiocarbon is about 500-600 USD/sample so in the range of a high quality HPLC-MS report. Probably. the cost of the project would be less than 15-20K though, as it gets cheaper the more you do because then the method conditions can largely be standardized around quantitating the oud fingerprint per species.

JK if you have labs you know that routinely say, "Yep this is 100% pure Agarwood" let us know, I for one want to send some stuff out.

 

[hamudi1981]

hnstly forget this guy, I guess the main question would be- does it even make a difference if we test his stuff. Based on evryone here, we think its bs product, but he'd still fool the first time buyers

 

[Sproaty]

its crazy how such toxic garbage is loved by so many...just mind blowing

synthetic <> toxic

and guys can we please keep the language neutral here, I'm not adverse to swearing myself and take no offense to it whatsoever, but I really dial it back on the forum. It's not often we have people swearing here and I think it's better for that.

And the bottles seem similar to Maison Anthony Marmin's to me, with the tags hanging off - but they are pretty standard bottles from what I've seen (e.g. so not really ripping off Feel Oud. From owning several of their oils, their bottles seem better based on the pics above)
Please note that I am not trying to defend this company in any shape or form. To me, testing sounds a bit pointless - so many knowledgable people's opinions on here pretty much sums it up
I could see an argument easily made against JK, being an "opposing" seller (just playing devil's advocate here), but that'd be nonsense and I trust his opinions on this a lot.

 

[Loulikesoud]

@Sproaty I agree on the language. I was always told that you should write on the internet like your mother or grandmother would read what you've written.

I think the main issue chafing a lot of people here is the representation of something as being what it is, in fact, not. I've never bought these products, so I don't know. But I have bought from JK and others in this thread and I believe them when they say this is not good, not real.

That is not a level playing field for the vendors that do their level best to provide an unadulterated product of superior quality. We have people here, members, that do this for a living, we have members here, that do it for love, and we have everyone in between. Those doing it for a living still don't make ridiculous claims. That isn't put up with here.

IMHO, the oud community is built on trust--it's built on people standing behind what they say it is. When a member of that community, in the name of profit, violates the trust and misinforms people...that's a problem.
I can see where JK would get upset over that. Sure, he's in it to make money, but he's in it because he loves it, believes in it and wants to educate people that want to be educated. Look at his listing on Hawaiian Sandalwood Oil. I learned a lot from it and a lot from him.

There are such good sellers here that are also teachers: Al Hashimi, Al Shareef, Al Hind, JK, MesOUD, and many others. Now someone else is getting big press on YouTube on a decent-sized channel and the information is just plain WRONG and the product seems wrong to experts here? Well, I think that's a problem. I think that company should explain their product.

 

[Rename]

synthetic <> toxic

and guys can we please keep the language neutral here, I'm not adverse to swearing myself and take no offense to it whatsoever, but I really dial it back on the forum. It's not often we have people swearing here and I think it's better for that.

And the bottles seem similar to Maison Anthony Marmin's to me, with the tags hanging off - but they are pretty standard bottles from what I've seen (e.g. so not really ripping off Feel Oud. From owning several of their oils, their bottles seem better based on the pics above)
Please note that I am not trying to defend this company in any shape or form. To me, testing sounds a bit pointless - so many knowledgable people's opinions on here pretty much sums it up
I could see an argument easily made against JK, being an "opposing" seller (just playing devil's advocate here), but that'd be nonsense and I trust his opinions on this a lot.

That’s why I wouldn’t head it up.

Some non-vendor member can take the reins. Was just a suggestion so that it can be show definitively.

We aren’t talking one off product here. It’s pretty much everything people here have seen - and it’s dozens of samples we’ve all seen at this point.

One thing slipping under the radar is understandable. Standard Practice is something else, entirely.

 

[William Birch]

What kind of a name even is that?
Sounds like a gift shop knockoff of Oud for Greatness lol

Isn’t “Oud for Greatness” one of those imposter frags that has little to no oud in it?

I could be wrong but it sounds familiar.

 

[William Birch]

To fuckin funny! the insta captions r worth a read for a laugh [ The Golden Dust. This oil is the last original Vietnamese kinam distillation. Our record shows that a local distiller distilled this oil in 1770 for king Gia Long of Vietnam. Even though we don't have the full details of the making process and all the specifications, the lab test, and the constituents can tell us a lot about this oil (the lab test and Certification of this oil are also available under the lab testing page). This oil is a true agarwood style kinam that is very thick, strong, and long-lasting. It is called golden dust because it is distilled by mixing the highest quality dust (residue) from wood intended for jewelry or decoration. This dust usually gets distinguished from the other kind of wood for distillation for its light golden color, thus the name golden dust oil.]


can anyon fact check this nonsens?

Honestly, I find it always hilarious when people use royal connections in their marketing.

Realistically if it was truly that amazingly rare and precious then I highly doubt it would be available to the general market. It would in all likelihood be sold directly to the royal family or individuals who want it and probably for great sums of money.

That isn’t to say that it’s always the case I know that many vendors got their hands on aromatics that belonged to the late SQ(rip) so it’s not entirely impossible but I still will take claims of royalty with some salt.