Incense of the Day
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EJayB
True Ouddict
I want to try kens but my schedule hasn’t lined up with his purchase window. How fast does the sale usually last before he sells out?
zeedubbya
True Ouddict
Usually lasts a few hours, depending on popularity of incense. I was like 2 hours late on last drop but only missed a couple things. Be happy to send you along some sticks to sample. No problem. DM me. Cheers!
Oudamberlove
Member
Shoyeido Myo-ho
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Shunkodoh Kyara Seikan
Myo-ho smells a lot more like kyara than Seikan, but the woodiness of Seikan is quite special.
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Shunkodoh Kyara Seikan
Myo-ho smells a lot more like kyara than Seikan, but the woodiness of Seikan is quite special.
zeedubbya
True Ouddict
Last night I burned some of the recent Sundaland Sinking incense from Yi-Xin Craft Incense (Ken C.) and for the first time I experienced something I’ve never experienced before with incense. My nose and mouth became fairly numb. I chose to snuff it out. It wasn’t that it was unpleasant, just very unexpected. I have had this happen with Oud oil and Kyara (chewed and heated), but never with incense before. Strange strange phenomenon from a mysterious location incense. Ken said it’s a blend of woods from Indonesia, and it smells familiar, sort of Malaysian/Sumatran type vibe, and it’s very nice, but what a shock. Tongue numbing incense, wow. Anyone else ever have this experience with incense?
Oudamberlove
Member
Sometimes I feel like a lab rat with all the unregulated and untested oils, woods, and incense I have used.
Justiciar Parfums
Oud Fan
The fact of the matter is that anything that you put on, near, or in your body that has not gone through peer-reviewed research that supports its safety and then been approved by a regulatory agency can have unpredictable effects on your body.
On that note, incense and burning woods by extension is not good for you according to medical research. Incense obviously emits lots of smoke and volatile organic compounds that are known carcinogens and mutagens. Incense pollutants are a known cause of airway dysfunction (https://clinicalmolecularallergy.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1476-7961-6-3), cognitive decline in geriatric subjects (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-63568-6#Sec24), and increased risk of mortality from cardiovascular disease among middle aged and geriatric subjects (https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/doi/10.1289/ehp.1307662).
It's important to note at this point in time that the hypothetical quality of incense has nothing to do with the formation of smoke (obviously).
Always have windows open when burning incense, don't have it too close to you, and never inhale the smoke (https://clinicalmolecularallergy.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1476-7961-6-3).
Any and all implied or explicitly stated health benefit of fragrant woods that does not have a citation to peer-reviewed research is dubious and should not be taken seriously 😛
Honestly, @Ouddict there should be rules on forums like these against claiming that any product offered and discussed here have health benefits for any reason whatsoever without proper sources like a citation to research that analyzes that specific product. Just because something is natural does not mean it's safe, and just because something does not cause harm to one person does not mean that it's harmless in general.
And, of course, basically no piece of agarwood or kyara or anything like that has ever been tested for toxins so quality control is impossible unless one of us scientists decides to apply for a grant for the purpose of researching this topic.
The takeaway here is that you should never expose yourself heavily to or consume things that are not proven to be safe by medical research.
I personally don't burn whole sticks of incense. I snap them into little stubs and burn a few different varieties throughout the day in a very well ventilated area of my dwelling totaling to no more than some 30 minutes a day. I don't need whole sticks to do mon-koh and I have no intention to risk health problems because of prolonged smoke and organic pollutant exposure.
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perfectpercentage
Admin
Minorien Sandalwood 🪵🔥today during work - time lapse video burn on r/japanincense.
Mr.P
oud<3er
Fortunately it should be easy to enjoy the stuff safely with a few common sense precautions.
Justiciar Parfums
Oud Fan
Well I wanted to clarify about some things. Even if someone here is a doctor like @RisingPhoenix, giving medical advice through an online forum to someone you don't know at all is not adequate legally or scientifically compared to a physical examination or consult for which the doctor accepts medical liability.
The problem lies in the amount of exposure, that is, if you burn incense all day or just burn a lot of it, you aren't necessarily exercising "common sense precautions"...
If you have an entire cabinet of aloeswood or kyara or incense and you burn wood or incense multiple times a day, you probably don't fall into the category of one who practices "common sense precaution" in that regard.
There are many people whose idiosyncratic and eccentric habits have cost them their health and their lives simply because the doctors cannot realistically suspect such things when they take histories, and they don't find out that you've been living with 19 cats or breeding ticks for fun or inhaling toxic smoke all day or eating random pieces of wood you bought from Japan until it's too late...
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EJayB
True Ouddict
The food sold in America is probably more harmful with labels that tell you it causes cancer then any Japanese wood a person might be able to nibble down 🤷🏻♂️
Justiciar Parfums
Oud Fan
That's not at all relevant to the topic at hand, but feel free to become an activist for food safety in America if it serves you well. Difference being, food is a necessity, so it's right to be worried about its safety, but incense is not, and I see that the majority of people here go way overboard with their amount of consumption...
Also, the abovementioned Prop 65 labels are well-established as a legal formality rather than a clear and present danger to one's health, specifically, about overcooking (that is, over-browning or burning) foods like toast or french fries. It's basically a warning that a business that serves food could burn it and that burned foods are possibly bad for you 🤣 (https://www.p65warnings.ca.gov/fact-sheets/acrylamide)
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EJayB
True Ouddict
Yes breathing anything other than air is bad , no disagreement there . Air in any city is not breathable sadly people still choose to live in them. I personally prefer mountain air with wisps of AGARWOOD and incense but you’d have to have a meter to check particulate counts and see what’s worse
I bet city air 🤷🏻♂️
I bet city air 🤷🏻♂️
Al Shareef Oudh
Master Perfumer
Some of the stuff you write piqued my interest, is it coming from a place of common sense or professional?
In your view are Oudh oils safer or heating Oudh woods?
Justiciar Parfums
Oud Fan
So one of things that concerns me about this community is the number of people complaining about sickness and various symptoms associated with their agarwood and incense usage. And I took one look at vendors and some outspoken members of the community and I was very disturbed by the number of people claiming that agarwood has health benefits with absolutely no evidence. And there's an entire sect of people who claim that agarwood has neurologic and psychological effects, which is even more terrifying to behold. How do you know what nerves you're hitting? Are you a neurologist? What research in neurology or psychiatry supports these supposed claims about agarwood? And if there is research on it, how do you know that said research applies specifically to the piece of agarwood you're trying to promote?
It's not OK to say these things about agarwood and insist they're true unless you have proper sources. Like I said, there are accounts of people here who are getting sick and at the present moment we cannot ascertain what the effect of agarwood on people's bodies are. Well, we can, in the sense that incense smoke presents a persistent danger because smoke is always dangerous no matter what it comes from. So if you burn lots of wood or incense the smoke is proven to be detrimental to the respiratory, circulatory, and central nervous system. See the links to articles in my previous post. Oud oils present a possible danger in the sense that if they contain harmful organic molecules or are otherwise contaminated with metal ions or other foreign contaminants, they will do tons of damage very fast if absorbed through the skin or ingested. Same with pure agarwood when you burn it or eat it. Hypothetically, a piece of kyara could literally be alpha-radioactive and it could be the best kyara in the world and the moment you burn it and inhale it or eat it you get radiation sickness and die. And you wouldn't know just by looking at the appearance of the kyara. My point is not that we should examine agarwood with Geiger counters; that was just a ridiculous example. My point is that we simply don't know or have any standards of quality control for agarwood especially from small dealers. Basically, people we don't know or really trust are picking up random pieces of agarwood from a jungle and selling it to us with no safety tests at all, and we're burning by the pound or eating it! Does that sound safe and healthy to you?
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Humankind has used Agarwood for millenia, it's mentioned in more than one religious texts. Some may feel a stronger connection to their spiritual higher power, possibly enlightened even. Incense as well, and used by almost all ancient culture, especially in the East. Of course contamination is a possibility but is it a real danger? Too much of anything is not good, I recently stopped daily burning and you know what, I enjoy it more now when I do.
You make valid points and they should be discussed and considered. What is your suggestion?
You make valid points and they should be discussed and considered. What is your suggestion?
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