I used to think the same LibraryOfPerfumes, but it's not something I'm saying without experience. I also do the same, using it when I steep tea or just chewing on a couple of seeds for fun. There's a blend I have which is combination of three ingredients, cardamom, a Thai oud and lavender (though from the scent I think it must be lavandin), that blend is perhaps the most hot feeling fragrance I've ever encountered. This was so confusing for me, that I took some Nagaland oud and added just a bit of cardamom eo to it, and after a period, even that blend, where the oud was rather mentholated and cooling turned into something warm smelling.

I do have an oud and cardamom blend, but the details of that one are kinda dubious, that one doesn't smell as hot, but I don't really trust the place I purchased that from, maybe even the oud used in it was fake.

There is talk of CO2 cardamom extracts available, I wonder what those are like, and if they, much like with rose, capture a different sub profile of the material than the oil
Oh I see. That's interesting. May be the amount of cardamom EO matters? unless there is something else at play which I am not exactly aware of. You seem to have already done the cardamom + oud experiment and you smell it as warm. So, not sure whatever I said before applies to the dubious sample you have.
 
Sounds crazy

Would like to see your exact experiment with Bulgarian rose. Mesouds 1995 Bulgarian rose is crazy. I swiped it with some oudlab Hindi and its crazy good..
Garo Jing, or Maharaja ? I have a Bulgarian otto, not mesOud's aged version though, I can try it with Garo Jing soon inshaAllah. I find Bulgarian very pretty pink, with a lot more dewiness and a smidge of greenery at least the one I have, it doesn't move me quite as much as something like Ispartan or Ta'ifi, but maybe I need to wear it more.
 
Garo Jing, or Maharaja ? I have a Bulgarian otto, not mesOud's aged version though, I can try it with Garo Jing soon inshaAllah. I find Bulgarian very pretty pink, with a lot more dewiness and a smidge of greenery at least the one I have, it doesn't move me quite as much as something like Ispartan or Ta'ifi, but maybe I need to wear it more.
Bulgarian can be anywhere from dull and sweaty smelling to absolutely sparkling / effervescent / lifelike. Kind of a crap shoot each time i try a new source. I think a lot has to do with how quickly the flowers get into the still. If there's a delay they start to ferment and sweat a bit and then you get some of those mediocre oils
 
Hmm... i see potential for a topic here - selecting the right ouds / attars for different life experiences.


1. Bushido - job promotion interview
2. Ajmal AA musk gazelle - fist fight
3. ?
 
Socotra, a collab between Dr. Rajesh Balkrishnan and @hunayn. Many thanks to Rajesh for a generous sample.

A VERY nice frankincense, spiked with saffron. I will have to spend more time with this to be able to smell all the different raw materials but this is a BIG like. A unique creation.
That lovely rose perfume we were discussing is from @hunayn as well, correct?
 
Good luck! I hope they promote you keeping in mind how much you love oud oils.
Seriously - they should consider offering an oud allowance as an incentive to stay on.
 
Garo Jing, or Maharaja ? I have a Bulgarian otto, not mesOud's aged version though, I can try it with Garo Jing soon inshaAllah. I find Bulgarian very pretty pink, with a lot more dewiness and a smidge of greenery at least the one I have, it doesn't move me quite as much as something like Ispartan or Ta'ifi, but maybe I need to wear it more.
Gargo Jing

Mesoud aged Bulgarian has some of the Ta’ifi sparkle and pop with guava. It’s like the best of both worlds. Although I haven’t tried ASO taifi
 
May be offer a few visits to the countries where they grow oud per year so the employers can study the effect of aromatics-centered vacations in boosting employee morale.
I could actually see my company doing this for a select few HR execs. Then they'd offer aromatherapy workshops as part of their employee mental health initiative lol

Somewhat more realistically is we have an international sourcing department HQ'd in Hong Kong and I've considered trying to apply there to get closer to the oud trade and maybe try influencing the company to get into the oud trade 😅
 
I could actually see my company doing this for a select few HR execs. Then they'd offer aromatherapy workshops as part of their employee mental health initiative lol

Somewhat more realistically is we have an international sourcing department HQ'd in Hong Kong and I've considered trying to apply there to get closer to the oud trade and maybe try influencing the company to get into the oud trade 😅
Sounds interesting! You can easily access so many locations while keeping your base in Hong Kong. May be you will run into someone from Ensar in one of his heroic expeditions in sourcing rare ouds 😛
 
Oh I see. That's interesting. May be the amount of cardamom EO matters? unless there is something else at play which I am not exactly aware of. You seem to have already done the cardamom + oud experiment and you smell it as warm. So, not sure whatever I said before applies to the dubious sample you have.
I think it very well could have been the amount of cardamom eo used, and my tiny sample, the one I made I haven't check up on, so perhaps I'm misremembering. I just remember wanting to accent the Hindi oud with cardamom, and you know, it hadn't occurred to me till now, but perhaps Hindi oud is more likely to become cooler smelling, than a Thai? I know with my tests with rose, the outcome was very different in both ouds, and the blend which smelled hot, did in fact use a Thai in the base.

I also think it could have something to do with how much of the blend I applied, I realized I was applying way too much
 
Thank you! Oud vendors are going to love to see me coming if I get the promotion 😂
I think it very well could have been the amount of cardamom eo used, and my tiny sample, the one I made I haven't check up on, so perhaps I'm misremembering. I just remember wanting to accent the Hindi oud with cardamom, and you know, it hadn't occurred to me till now, but perhaps Hindi oud is more likely to become cooler smelling, than a Thai? I know with my tests with rose, the outcome was very different in both ouds, and the blend which smelled hot, did in fact use a Thai in the base.

I also think it could have something to do with how much of the blend I applied, I realized I was applying way too much
Funny but I could see how cardamom could be physically cooling on the skin with a kind of menthol effect, but still have a warm sense when it comes to the aroma or flavor. I think because I associate cardamom with chai and often with ginger I think of it as "warming" even if it may actually be cooling. I've never really tuned into the herb itself and have not experimented much with the oil.
 
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Funny but I could see how cardamom could be physically cooling on the skin with a kind of menthol affect but still have a kind of warming quality when it comes to the aroma or flavor. I think because I associate cardamom with chai and often with ginger I think of it as "warming" even if it may actually be cooling. I've never really tuned into the herb itself and have not experimented much with the oil.
Cardomom as a spice, if you just eat it by itself has a cooling effect and it is really good for someone with high blood pressure. Lowers it by a few points.
 
I think it very well could have been the amount of cardamom eo used, and my tiny sample, the one I made I haven't check up on, so perhaps I'm misremembering. I just remember wanting to accent the Hindi oud with cardamom, and you know, it hadn't occurred to me till now, but perhaps Hindi oud is more likely to become cooler smelling, than a Thai? I know with my tests with rose, the outcome was very different in both ouds, and the blend which smelled hot, did in fact use a Thai in the base.

I also think it could have something to do with how much of the blend I applied, I realized I was applying way too much
So many variables to think about! I don't have much experience with the hindi oud. May be I should swipe and compare the hindi vs thai.
 
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