Burn of the Day

[Chenxiang]

Shoyeido matsu grade chip, dark mysterious berry's some top note just at room temperatures, fleeting cinnamon in top note on low heat, cloying sweetest ever, perfume oils, oozing resins, deep dark bubbling candy sweet resin white smoky whisks for a long time and crispy burnt woody ouddy finish, the whole room fumigated

I still can't figure out where it's from...

 

[language scent]

Shoyeido matsu grade chip, dark mysterious berry's some top note just at room temperatures, fleeting cinnamon in top note on low heat, cloying sweetest ever, perfume oils, oozing resins, deep dark bubbling candy sweet resin white smoky whisks for a long time and crispy burnt woody ouddy finish, the whole room fumigated

I still can't figure out where it's from...View attachment 38574

its from from shoyeido

 

[Chenxiang]

Of course brother, The first thing mentioned was where it was purchased.
I was implying as to the region the wood came from originally.

 

[language scent]

Of course brother, The first thing mentioned was where it was purchased.
I was implying as to the region the wood came from originally.

i know i was just having fun.

 

[iori]

Sinking Sumatora A. hirta from KyaraZen/Kangiiten at 120c then 140c then 160c for the last couple of mins.

Notes so far in the burn, since it goes through changes after long sessions but I just wanted 20 mins, gonna do 40mins a couple hours before bed: Sour, almost fermented type red fruits, syrupy red fruity cola notes, and I guess what you could call subtle animalic notes for sure, resin, light jungle greenery, with some fleeting hints at florals, these notes just got stronger and stronger as the temp went up. So I am gonna go back down to 140c (if I can, if I cant ill jut stick at 160c for the next 40 min session).

This wood is quite rare from Sumatra and I THINK Sumatora is a Japanese term in Rikkoku or something? @iori could you explain if this is true or... not? Would be helpful, thanks brother!!!

https://imgur.com/9wA3x1Q

Some call it Sumatora some call it Summandura, some say its from Sumatora some have it sourced from Borneo island.
Most of Summmandura i tested were Top Brunei soft silk grade or Tarakan soft silk, those two sold by many in Chinese Market as Brunei/Tarakan Kinam.
^ That's of course for the school that use Agarwood under Summandura, in Oie School you will see Yellow incense tree sometimes under it.

Shoyeido matsu grade chip, dark mysterious berry's some top note just at room temperatures, fleeting cinnamon in top note on low heat, cloying sweetest ever, perfume oils, oozing resins, deep dark bubbling candy sweet resin white smoky whisks for a long time and crispy burnt woody ouddy finish, the whole room fumigated

I still can't figure out where it's from...View attachment 38574

looks amazing!
Heating Shoyeido Gokuhin grade! this piece is Brunei 100% and its lovely with insane power.

 

[language scent]

So I got some amazing kyara today and some samples with them!

Heated an insane sample of a yamadamatsu purple kyara from the edo period today named “ko of fortune” that was purchased in 1970……..at 60 there showed a delicate warmth as if the wood was on high heat, there was a note that made my nose feel warm and it was extremely purple, slightly powdery and the flowers were about a couple meters away but their scent was reaching me from the wind. As I increased to 90c the purple sweet flowers acquired a melon/passion/guava aroma that was drenched in purple and the slight sourness was also there with hints of a powdery spicyness that is unique to any spicy I have smelled in kyaras.

I closed the heater for 10 minutes and took off all the shavings particles and sprinkled them back on the heater cause before they were clumped together powder like shaving particles and I decided to jump on 125c……… WHAAAAYAM I was thrown in a giant blender of bitter purple flowers flashing between candy purple I don’t know can’t describe, passion fruit, sour strawberry, a lot of herbs, powdery spices and the effects a calming clarity of awe to what I just witnessed. I love so much when this happens! The complexity just slaps the nose with flashing colors and flowers and herbs and spices.

Also heated a green kyara named “entrance”, very nice richness!!!

1hour later and my mind is having zero thoughts. Pure zen! I can’t think even if I tried to. My senses are focused. I wish these experiences to everyone

 

[-Renton-]

Some call it Sumatora some call it Summandura, some say its from Sumatora some have it sourced from Borneo island.
Most of Summmandura i tested were Top Brunei soft silk grade or Tarakan soft silk, those two sold by many in Chinese Market as Brunei/Tarakan Kinam.
^ That's of course for the school that use Agarwood under Summandura, in Oie School you will see Yellow incense tree sometimes under it.

Yes, it has a very WILD Kinamic vibe to it. The smell from a 1gram bottle is quite noticeable (to me anyway, and some other people that arent even into this kinda thing, but I am guessing its stronger for me because refinement of nose?), it has that wild kyara creaminess to it, if you understand what I mean? And you only need scrapings of it, similar to Kyara but a little bit more, I got 1.15g from my 1g and havent even down to 1g yet from 3 different uses (not sessions but fresh uses). It isn't soft like kinam but it is softer than most agarwood.

So is this a type of Rikkoku/Kinam type things?

 

[-Renton-]

Snow White Beach - Wild Kyara. 20 min session heat from 60 to 100c (and a couple mins on 120c).

Elegant, soft beautiful creaminess, with a nice elegant rich butteriness, sweet, milky, rich high grade vanilla pods, vanilla milkshake, temp goes up to 80c same notes but stronger with a nice slight cooling, mintiness, a slight nutty like note, played at this temp for a while then moved up to 100c and got all these notes and a little stronger minty note, same cooling effect not much stronger, but stronger mintiness (although the mint note was very elegant, soft and subtle, unlike CK where it can be a dominant note, I rather like the minty note though as long as its soft and elegant), some subtle greenery, clean fresh forest jungle notes, the couple mins at 120c released more of that note but thats when my second 10 min timer was up and I stopped there.

EXTRA - RANT.
I like to give myself a timer (set on the heater) and dont go above that more than twice, especially for kyara. The Sumatora I dont mind running the wood into the ground for a loooong session as I was given 1.15g and have had 3 fresh sessions with it and I'm still a little above 1g (so got 0.15g extra), although once I get down to 0.8grams I probably will do the same as I do with Wild Kyara until I get a couple (and maybe buy 6 or 7 bottles if its still in stock by mid August) of 1g bottles. 1gram can last you a while, cause you dont need a lot with that wood, like 0.05g is quite a good strong amount or the Sumatora, only shavings are needed like kinam, but a little more. So, if you buy Sumatora from KZ/Kangiiten,make sure you have a kinam heater, it is wasted on coal.

 

[Chenxiang]

Boring insect piece from a batch of Brunei wood i got a while back. I opened it up and took out the bugs and dirt. 200c and the whole room is full of ripe fruit and flowers. Not too much honey flavor in this piece like others in the batch, this one has extra bright and exploding sweetness

 

[Oudamberlove]

ASO Ramadan Cambodi

I tried high heat, got roasted nuts up front, with typical Cambodi notes in the back.

 

[iori]

So is this a type of Rikkoku/Kinam type things?

Who knows, i'm not the one to call what fall under Rikkokugmoi classification and what isn't, in short the RIkkokugomi selection is very narrow range of wood profile, so unless master say it does fall under certain classification i would not dare to put it under one.
Besides in japan those two Sasora/Summondura doesn't fall under Kyara type things. "only Raokoku/Managa/Manaban".
Some books or side might have those woods and ther producing area as certain but its not the case Lol.

 

[-Renton-]

Who knows, i'm not the one to call what fall under Rikkokugmoi classification and what isn't, in short the RIkkokugomi selection is very narrow range of wood profile, so unless master say it does fall under certain classification i would not dare to put it under one.
Besides in japan those two Sasora/Summondura doesn't fall under Kyara type things. "only Raokoku/Managa/Manaban".
Some books or side might have those woods and ther producing area as certain but its not the case Lol.

Ahh okay, thank you brother. It is quite a potent wood. At room temp from the bottle it reminds me of the creaminess you get from wild kyara, with my limited experience so far anyway. And you only need tiny amounts compared to most other agarwood, and definitely has that sumatora profile when I looked it up, and on the description on Kangiiten it says it can be used as a replacement for hon-Kyara to save the hon-kyara as much as possible, so I think it may just be a wood that is super potent, and "kynam" grade agarwood (I am not saying it is kinam I am saying it has a similar strength as all you need is <80mg). It has sour notes (and some sweet) with human animalic tones, green forest notes with a red sour fruity almost fermented, cola syrup to it.

It is nice wood, is some of the nicer agarwoods I have had and is more potent than cultivated kinam, when it comes to how much you need.

Oh and yes, brother kos gave me some Managa. Very nice, I need to use some more of that. Could you explain what Managan really is? Quite interesting. Kos said it wasn't kyara but an "elegant agarwood". I would agree with that.

 

[PersonelHigh]

I've been using the enfleurage method but of scenting my daily burn woods. Using elderly Kyphi that has gone hard with powdered agarwood and basically burying it for months in dark glass in a dark cool drawer. I'm happy with the subtle antique results. More of a nightly warm rather than a daily burn.

 

[iori]

Ahh okay, thank you brother. It is quite a potent wood. At room temp from the bottle it reminds me of the creaminess you get from wild kyara, with my limited experience so far anyway. And you only need tiny amounts compared to most other agarwood, and definitely has that sumatora profile when I looked it up, and on the description on Kangiiten it says it can be used as a replacement for hon-Kyara to save the hon-kyara as much as possible, so I think it may just be a wood that is super potent, and "kynam" grade agarwood (I am not saying it is kinam I am saying it has a similar strength as all you need is <80mg). It has sour notes (and some sweet) with human animalic tones, green forest notes with a red sour fruity almost fermented, cola syrup to it.

It is nice wood, is some of the nicer agarwoods I have had and is more potent than cultivated kinam, when it comes to how much you need.

There is few things to address here.
First, that note you guys call creamy or Vanilla i don't really call it that in Kyara and not all Kyara have that note.
Second, just because wood is so potent or loud it doesn't mean its Kyara grade or what so ever, actually thinking all Kyara is loud and potent "chinese say explosive notes" is a bit miss leading, many Kyara i tested more of mellow/subtle with amazing depth, clear notes etc but not one would say its insane potency i would say like of pure clear notes.

Oh and yes, brother kos gave me some Managa. Very nice, I need to use some more of that. Could you explain what Managan really is? Quite interesting. Kos said it wasn't kyara but an "elegant agarwood". I would agree with that.

Managa is classification under rikkokugomi, it was named after Malacaa and called Manaka or Managa.
As for the taste for the wood :
Oie School = Tasteless or Nothing.
Shino School = Salty "Not to be mistaken for salty in Manaban of Oie"
I remenber reading in some Oie schoo notes that managa is difficult to classift as its elusive wood.
As for origins of the wood i seen many theories.
1 - It's from Malacca Malaysia
2 - It was introduced to Japan by Malacaa as it used to be trading port but wood not nessesarly from there.
3 - It's Thailand wood, before it was named as Siam.
4 - The wood can be from Cambodia, China, Thailand and Vietnam.
Years ago a Kodo Master mentioned the Oie school head of two generations ago said that all Rakoku and Managa is of Kyara trees.
Now this is pretty much what i heard and seen mentioned in few woods what's the truth regarding origins i don't know, however all managa i tested was it kyara or agarwood managa fall under number 4 opinion.

 

[-Renton-]

There is few things to address here.
First, that note you guys call creamy or Vanilla i don't really call it that in Kyara and not all Kyara have that note.
Second, just because wood is so potent or loud it doesn't mean its Kyara grade or what so ever, actually thinking all Kyara is loud and potent "chinese say explosive notes" is a bit miss leading, many Kyara i tested more of mellow/subtle with amazing depth, clear notes etc but not one would say its insane potency i would say like of pure clear notes.

Managa is classification under rikkokugomi, it was named after Malacaa and called Manaka or Managa.
As for the taste for the wood :
Oie School = Tasteless or Nothing.
Shino School = Salty "Not to be mistaken for salty in Manaban of Oie"
I remenber reading in some Oie schoo notes that managa is difficult to classift as its elusive wood.
As for origins of the wood i seen many theories.
1 - It's from Malacca Malaysia
2 - It was introduced to Japan by Malacaa as it used to be trading port but wood not nessesarly from there.
3 - It's Thailand wood, before it was named as Siam.
4 - The wood can be from Cambodia, China, Thailand and Vietnam.
Years ago a Kodo Master mentioned the Oie school head of two generations ago said that all Rakoku and Managa is of Kyara trees.
Now this is pretty much what i heard and seen mentioned in few woods what's the truth regarding origins i don't know, however all managa i tested was it kyara or agarwood managa fall under number 4 opinion.

Interesting. Thank you iori!!! And yes, I know that Kyara doesnt have to be super potent. Actually, when I first got wild name kyara's last month I was quite shocked with how soft and gentle they are, but very crisp and clear. It is a very unique thing... takes a long time to get your head around it lol. The Sumatora is quite gentle too, but a lot more "loud". I get that creamy note with Snow White Beach 100% and actually some butteriness, milky, vanilla milkshake, and eventually a bit of mintiness and greenery, and some of the creaminess with the Plum Blossoms in the Wind, then ripe fruitiness etc, need to test the little pieces of Orchid Forest I have left.

 

[iori]

Laos Pusong 80s
Amazing wood, warm, floral, fruity with milky almond tail, some plum sourness too.

 

[Oudamberlove]

mesOUD Pursat Char

I was going through chip by chip to assess the need for more or not, so they were quick burns. I decided to get more.

A quick glimpse, a little bit of florals, resin, and other stuff. I’ll be spending more time with them to discover more details.

Physically, nice chips with good resin content.

When I assess oudh, I also observe how they make me feel physiologically, this Pursat Char is agreeable with my system👍

 

[-Renton-]

Sinking Sumatora KyaraZen. 180c-220c 40min session as still more to go!!!

Lovely hints of clear jungle greenery, then back to the sensual human musky animalic notes which come with creamy, milky, vanilla notes, it feels quite clean and dirty ( 😉 lol), earthiness, and small hints of a fresh green jungle, after a while near the end of the 40 mins (about 5 or so mins before the 40 min session I set myself was over) I broke through to this beautiful green, clear, jungle scenery and scent, with some earthiness that was teasing me all the way, and some florals and fruity cola syrup, then flatlined, machine timer turned off and that is my session, I dont like to go over the timer too often, and I was only meant to do a 20 mins session and ended up with 40 🤣.

The human animalic notes with earthiness and teasing of jungle notes gave me imagery of sex in a hot, very humid, jungle haha. Those notes at the tail end when the clear greenery broke through (which I will enjoy more at 200-220c again next session) still had some of those human musk notes but mostly as undertones, with some breaking through as full on dominant notes for a couple seconds. Excited to see where this next session will lead me, whenever I heat later on tonight or tomorrow (probably tomorrow).

pics of the Sumatora

 

[Olfactory Nomad]

First time sitting with Sinking Leyte from @YusaAromatics. Took a minute to figure out a good temp for this but things started happening at around 180 degrees celsius. It's actually not too dissimilar from a kynam imo. Definitely minty, actually quite a strong mint coolness followed by that classic vanilla egg custard smell. I only used the smallest of pieces so I didn't go higher as this was spent reasonably quick but I think a warmer temp will bring out some other notes of interest. Once I have done with these samples on the ceramic heater I'll put them all on some coal for a final hurrah!

 

[Mr.P]

There is few things to address here.
First, that note you guys call creamy or Vanilla i don't really call it that in Kyara and not all Kyara have that note.
Second, just because wood is so potent or loud it doesn't mean its Kyara grade or what so ever, actually thinking all Kyara is loud and potent "chinese say explosive notes" is a bit miss leading, many Kyara i tested more of mellow/subtle with amazing depth, clear notes etc but not one would say its insane potency i would say like of pure clear notes.

Managa is classification under rikkokugomi, it was named after Malacaa and called Manaka or Managa.
As for the taste for the wood :
Oie School = Tasteless or Nothing.
Shino School = Salty "Not to be mistaken for salty in Manaban of Oie"
I remenber reading in some Oie schoo notes that managa is difficult to classift as its elusive wood.
As for origins of the wood i seen many theories.
1 - It's from Malacca Malaysia
2 - It was introduced to Japan by Malacaa as it used to be trading port but wood not nessesarly from there.
3 - It's Thailand wood, before it was named as Siam.
4 - The wood can be from Cambodia, China, Thailand and Vietnam.
Years ago a Kodo Master mentioned the Oie school head of two generations ago said that all Rakoku and Managa is of Kyara trees.
Now this is pretty much what i heard and seen mentioned in few woods what's the truth regarding origins i don't know, however all managa i tested was it kyara or agarwood managa fall under number 4 opinion.

Fascinating stuff once again! I'm looking forward to getting out my Baieido set and seeing how things smell in light of this post.