Dear Rai, great post you nailed again as usual🙁 What else can express the state of mind better than this emoji! Nothing.
Oleoresin. Auxiliary/ Accessory notes. Oleorisin & Oil. Price & Pricing. Well, all are to be discussed, and they have been discussed. Majority came up with solid arguments. But 'All's well that ends well'. And 'end' is yet awaited.
One thing for sure: when two clashing viewpoints emerge about a single reality; one is definitely faulty. Both cannot be correct. If frame of reference is to be included, then both are 'half truths' that is rather damaging than an incorrect view-point. It doesn't mean whose view is wrong is to be punished. One's endeavour to see the truth and say true is to be valued. So do I respect all participants. In Islamic Jurisprudence, if two 'faqeeh= jurits' have two opposite views, both are respected and honoured, but one whose decree is logical is to be followed. I simply apply this universally acknowledged parameter of Islamic Jurisprudence whenever I face some perplexing opposite views about Oud here. All are respected, but one is to be followed. Moreover, a folk lore I was narrated that goes so at the end: If some one has positive views about all is either a skin saver or is having poor judgement.
Oleoresin and Auxiliary notes have been defined in a best possible way by respected Jawed. Had respected Shabby expressed diametrically opposite viewpoint than that of Jawed? I don't think so. What I get from the posts is no more than the difference in the definition of the terms under discussion.
Resin & Oud: It is yet a riddle. @F4R1d0uX: My dear and respected most brother, you posted some snap-shots to prove that it is impossible. I do agree with you. But if I would like not to agree, it will be rather appropriate. Reason? I don't know who that master is, if he is. Why master under cover? Suppose, I am in favour of Mr. Ensar's statement, I would have left those snap-shots unread as 'invisible masters' in reality don't inspire. PLEASE NEVER MIND. I KNOW YOU HAVE AN AMPLE HEART. I JUST PIN POINTED WHAT I FELT. Your sincerity, purity and gentility and JOVIALITY is ideal. But here, the point under discussion was too too sensitive. So I didn't find myself making views on some unknown and unseen masters. Please never mind.
Distillation & Price & Pricing: I have been saying since the first day of my joining this Home-like Forum, OUD IS A LUXURY, NOT A NECESSITY. So price cannot be questioned. BUT THERE IS A VERY IMPORTANT THING: trying to befool buyers and using tactics to emotionally black-mail and creating UNNECESSARY HYPE is to be questioned. I am against high prices, but I know it is I who am responsible for all this. I remember a couple of years before, The Saudi government initiated a boycott-campaign against the vendors selling tomatoes at an abnormal price. Within a week, those big guns turned to be dwarfs. Anyway, it is a digression. My point is why that much hype.
So far as distillation goes, it is obvious. We are no chickens at all. I am sure, there are such vendors who don't claim they do so. Don't they deserve doff off. Yes, they do. I know there are vendors who are partially distillers. And I am sure there are certain vendors who really distill on their own. And there are definitely such vendors who don't distill, but they say so. BUT FOR ME THE MOST INTERESTING SPECIES IS THOSE WHO CAN'T DISTILL, BUT THEY CLAIM SO. And last, there are who really distill on their own, and they say so. AND THERE ARE WHO REALLY DISTILL BUT THEY MUST STOP DISTILLING, FOR GOD'S SAKE!
@Nikhil S: I am a great admirer of your flare. Just pay heed to my view, I beseech, about price. Who are responsible? Marketing: Godamm it. You know, now I feel Oud is being sold like a 'lather cream' that is actually for men, but in advertisement, that is launched by Kim Kardasian. And Me poor, even with beard, run for that. Poor me. Again, how many of us are here to be daring enough to decide on solid grounds. I don't blame vendors, I blame my own poor coward and skin-saving self.
Zak brother's oils, IO's Oils (brothers Faheem and Faizal),: These two are more than visible. Again digression: I suggested brother Faheem to raise prices of his offerings, and he, as usual, with an innocent smile just said: IT IS ENOUGH.! I am sure, brother Zakir is not earning that much. Though Faheem's is😛😛😛! I must quote a saying that is much popular in our village: The man murdered is equally responsible for his murder, as why he came within the range of the murderer. Dear Nikhil, if we are murdered, we are responsible. Last, I have been reading about BAIT SAMPLING. (It doesn't include Tokens of Love). If sampling for wangling reviews is being made, who are responsible. Definitely, I am. I mean the wearers. I don't know who gets samples, but when it is highlighted, it shows YES IT EXISTS. Oud Terrorism is getting hold day by day. It is to be shunned.
To conclude, my respected most @Ouddict posted a picture of some Oud, and a statement of that very vendor about barn note. Of course, that shows there is some problem. That can be a mistake, or an error, or a trickery, or a try to create difference, etc. God knows better. But that picture and that statement show some sort of gap. Oils speak. What about this picture and statement? They do speak as well. There is a fault line somewhere, and that somewhere is not hidden. But it doesn't mean that that very vendor's oils are not good. His oils are beyond and beyond, more than excellent. But I have stopped buying because I have found 'a fault line' there. Yet I love his oils. And I appreciate his unique efforts. My not buying won't damage any vendor. I am sure. But I am not a skin saver. Whatever is to be decided, that needs hell dynamic flare.
The only thing that is highly interesting is when vendors and certain experts (not kidding, nor sarcasm) share views, even getting bitter, certain persons come up with such roles that is played by 'EXTRAS' in Bollywood movies. In Urdu there is a proverb: 'Tou koun, maen khaah-makhaah- Who are you , Mr,? Oh, I'm, hmm, umm, Intruder'. Again, not vendors, but wearers are responsible.
Peace and Love to all. This is the beauty of this Forum that dear Nikhil and I can post any thing, bitter or sweet. Who dare to do so on the other Forum😉😉😉? We would have been History.
PS: By the way I learn this expression from the other Forum: Someone is History. And by the way, history repeats, and history avenges.
May God bless us all.
Dear Firdaous, not sure if all will get it but i did.
That is surely one area seniors can work upon. Well, I have decided today to really stay away from such posts. Really dont want to participate in such discussions. I am sure you know Ensar bhai better than me. You guys were close friends at one time I believe. I have lost some friends on the way as well. I completely understand your perspective. But you know I really pray for you guys. May God give us all sense of understanding and meaning to life. But this was a nice discussion I believe irrespective of our tones and demeanours. Next time hopefully we will see more meaningful discourses full of oud information. Afterall thats what all of us want. If I have hurt someone with my questions and tough stance I apologise. The intention was to have a solid and direct discussion and it was an enjoyable moment. Lets hope one day an equilibrium is achieved. Disagreements and misunderstandings are part of everyday life. But if good things come out of it good enough. I am enjoying my Mr Barn at the moment. Sensibility has set in.
🙁 What else can express the state of mind better than this emoji! Nothing.
Oleoresin. Auxiliary/ Accessory notes. Oleorisin & Oil. Price & Pricing. Well, all are to be discussed, and they have been discussed. Majority came up with solid arguments. But 'All's well that ends well'. And 'end' is yet awaited.
One thing for sure: when two clashing viewpoints emerge about a single reality; one is definitely faulty. Both cannot be correct. If frame of reference is to be included, then both are 'half truths' that is rather damaging than an incorrect view-point. It doesn't mean whose view is wrong is to be punished. One's endeavour to see the truth and say true is to be valued. So do I respect all participants. In Islamic Jurisprudence, if two 'faqeeh= jurits' have two opposite views, both are respected and honoured, but one whose decree is logical is to be followed. I simply apply this universally acknowledged parameter of Islamic Jurisprudence whenever I face some perplexing opposite views about Oud here. All are respected, but one is to be followed. Moreover, a folk lore I was narrated that goes so at the end: If some one has positive views about all is either a skin saver or is having poor judgement.
Oleoresin and Auxiliary notes have been defined in a best possible way by respected Jawed. Had respected Shabby expressed diametrically opposite viewpoint than that of Jawed? I don't think so. What I get from the posts is no more than the difference in the definition of the terms under discussion.
Resin & Oud: It is yet a riddle. @F4R1d0uX: My dear and respected most brother, you posted some snap-shots to prove that it is impossible. I do agree with you. But if I would like not to agree, it will be rather appropriate. Reason? I don't know who that master is, if he is. Why master under cover? Suppose, I am in favour of Mr. Ensar's statement, I would have left those snap-shots unread as 'invisible masters' in reality don't inspire. PLEASE NEVER MIND. I KNOW YOU HAVE AN AMPLE HEART. I JUST PIN POINTED WHAT I FELT. Your sincerity, purity and gentility and JOVIALITY is ideal. But here, the point under discussion was too too sensitive. So I didn't find myself making views on some unknown and unseen masters. Please never mind.
Distillation & Price & Pricing: I have been saying since the first day of my joining this Home-like Forum, OUD IS A LUXURY, NOT A NECESSITY. So price cannot be questioned. BUT THERE IS A VERY IMPORTANT THING: trying to befool buyers and using tactics to emotionally black-mail and creating UNNECESSARY HYPE is to be questioned. I am against high prices, but I know it is I who am responsible for all this. I remember a couple of years before, The Saudi government initiated a boycott-campaign against the vendors selling tomatoes at an abnormal price. Within a week, those big guns turned to be dwarfs. Anyway, it is a digression. My point is why that much hype.
So far as distillation goes, it is obvious. We are no chickens at all. I am sure, there are such vendors who don't claim they do so. Don't they deserve doff off. Yes, they do. I know there are vendors who are partially distillers. And I am sure there are certain vendors who really distill on their own. And there are definitely such vendors who don't distill, but they say so. BUT FOR ME THE MOST INTERESTING SPECIES IS THOSE WHO CAN'T DISTILL, BUT THEY CLAIM SO. And last, there are who really distill on their own, and they say so. AND THERE ARE WHO REALLY DISTILL BUT THEY MUST STOP DISTILLING, FOR GOD'S SAKE
@Nikhil S: I am a great admirer of your flare. Just pay heed to my view, I beseech, about price. Who are responsible? Marketing: Godamm it. You know, now I feel Oud is being sold like a 'lather cream' that is actually for men, but in advertisement, that is launched by Kim Kardasian. And Me poor, even with beard, run for that. Poor me. Again, how many of us are here to be daring enough to decide on solid grounds. I don't blame vendors, I blame my own poor coward and skin-saving self.
Zak brother's oils, IO's Oils (brothers Faheem and Faizal),: These two are more than visible. Again digression: I suggested brother Faheem to raise prices of his offerings, and he, as usual, with an innocent smile just said: IT IS ENOUGH.
To conclude, my respected most @Ouddict posted a picture of some Oud, and a statement of that very vendor about barn note. Of course, that shows there is some problem. That can be a mistake, or an error, or a trickery, or a try to create difference, etc. God knows better. But that picture and that statement show some sort of gap. Oils speak. What about this picture and statement? They do speak as well. There is a fault line somewhere, and that somewhere is not hidden. But it doesn't mean that that very vendor's oils are not good. His oils are beyond and beyond, more than excellent. But I have stopped buying because I have found 'a fault line' there. Yet I love his oils. And I appreciate his unique efforts. My not buying won't damage any vendor. I am sure. But I am not a skin saver. Whatever is to be decided, that needs hell dynamic flare.
The only thing that is highly interesting is when vendors and certain experts (not kidding, nor sarcasm) share views, even getting bitter, certain persons come up with such roles that is played by 'EXTRAS' in Bollywood movies. In Urdu there is a proverb: 'Tou koun, maen khaah-makhaah- Who are you , Mr,? Oh, I'm, hmm, umm, Intruder'. Again, not vendors, but wearers are responsible.
Peace and Love to all. This is the beauty of this Forum that dear Nikhil and I can post any thing, bitter or sweet. Who dare to do so on the other Forum😉😉😉? We would have been History.
PS: By the way I learn this expression from the other Forum: Someone is History. And by the way, history repeats, and history avenges.
May God bless us all.
Dear Abasfrag, i think you got this a bit wrong.
it is nothing more but an true act of charity!!!!!!!
Ouch..... when was this oud sold??
I hope that everyone who was on Basenotes continues to contribute regularly in either of the two forums. I know of some that don't anymore
Mandeel, promise me you'll stay
So I take it that Gaharu has this aire of mystery, we don't know exactly who Luigi is. Maybe he is CIA😱
Well, as far as I'm concerned, he better be an Oud Lover, or else😡
Back to distillation.....
I have some agarwood powder from Incense House Taiwan. 300 gram bags, ShinZuo(Taiwan)$18-Kalimentan$21-HoiAn(Vietnam)$33.
They have decent aroma, but now that I learned (thanks to this thread) that some resin remains in the post-distillation biomatter, could those powders I got be post-distillation?? The aroma doesn't last very long when heated, but I supposed that it was due to the powdered form. Has anyone else tried heating agarwood in a fine powdered form? How long does the aroma stay?
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