Oud Reviews

[Oudamberlove]

salam dear , i will be happy to see your review about kz cambodian thanks 🙂

Hi Mandeel, check page 12 of this thread for my brief review. Just a few minutes ago, I arrived home from work to find that my ASO Hudhayl wood and oil arrived. Nice looking wood, best Assam I've seen so far, will heat some tomorrow. The oil smells really promising, I'll swipe tomorrow also. But for now I have to sleep.

 

[Al Shareef Oudh]

@PEARL
Wa Alaikum assalam wa rahmatullah Sahibi

Okay understood you want to be the Ouddict Comprehension Special Force 😀, I have no issues with that.

Back to the topic so you agree with Peter then that Hindi's have a certain scent profile that includes barn?

 

[peter4ptv]

I would like to say something more.
Some people may consider Oud as "un parfum de luxe" but it is NOT, it's much more than that...
$500,$700 or $3000 a bottle they don't mind,it must be something special let's go for it the more they pay the more they are happy and what happen after a couple of days or weeks? You will find a entire collection 20,30 bottles for sale on eBay.
Agarwood is history, Agarwood has this special and unique sacred aspect with no competitor.
It was used in the ancient times by ALL to perfume their clothes,by the monk is his sanctuary, by the Muslim to perfume his house especially during the blessed month of Ramadan, by the Asians during their Kodo sessions...
Now take a seat for a while, turn your head and go back to 10,15 or 25 years and tell me which Oud will stay in the history forever?
I have a couple in mind and they ALL respect their DNA!!!
In my personal opinion the challenge is not to capture the Kyara scent in your oil or to make it softer and acceptable as much as possible, the challenge for la crème de la crème is to answer the question: Which one will stay in the history?
Agarwood is history my friend, don't forget it...

In my opinion asaq thaqeel and kalakassi have been in history and will stay in history.
Even that some new comers into the business born yesterday try to spread all kind of crap about established company with over 100 years of history. Well as Mandeel post it on BN a while back it is a dirty game and some people will use any dirty trick religion etc...... For personal gain.
Beginning of the. Year posting on BN
Taha:
Oh I was visiting asaq factory noting special they have only cultivated Thai and that's what it is their top oils they sale as wild and aged.
Too bad the forum is closed so cannot find the exact postings, but it was something like the above.

ENSAR: The only time I smelled Oud Thaqeel was when a Russian customer flew in to Amman from Dubai to meet me in person. He'd just picked up a bottle at the ASAQ shop in Dubai, and he was a happy camper! The gooey, pasty, sticky mess of an oil inside that bottle just looked wrong. It is an artificially oxidized oil, by being exposed to air without a cap on the container. The oil only gets thicker and more one-dimensional as it oxidizes, until it becomes sticky like honey.
What people rave about is not the oil as much as the marketing. This is supposed to be the most expensive Oud in the world, and so necessarily that generates a lot of buzz. I think my Chinese Exclusive, which is 100% wild Hainan oil, distilled in 2004, and has been carefully preserved from oxidation in air-tight German Pyrex, stored in the dark, is a far more interesting oil than Thaqeel.

Thaqeel means "heavy" in Arabic. And it is just that, a thick oil that impresses people when they encounter the stickiness of it. Nothing worth writing home about.

Not to mention that ASAQ does not produce their own oils, but they buy wholesale from other Gulf conglomerates like al Haramain, Ajmal, etc. This is common knowledge among the Oud producing folks.

 

[Mandeel AlMandeel]

In my opinion asaq thaqeel and kalakassi have been in history and will stay in history.
Even that some new comers into the business born yesterday try to spread all kind of crap about established company with over 100 years of history. Well as Mandeel post it on BN a while back it is a dirty game and some people will use any dirty trick religion etc...... For personal gain.
Beginning of the. Year posting on BN
Taha:
Oh I was visiting asaq factory noting special they have only cultivated Thai and that's what it is their top oils they sale as wild and aged.
Too bad the forum is closed so cannot find the exact postings, but it was something like the above.

ENSAR: The only time I smelled Oud Thaqeel was when a Russian customer flew in to Amman from Dubai to meet me in person. He'd just picked up a bottle at the ASAQ shop in Dubai, and he was a happy camper! The gooey, pasty, sticky mess of an oil inside that bottle just looked wrong. It is an artificially oxidized oil, by being exposed to air without a cap on the container. The oil only gets thicker and more one-dimensional as it oxidizes, until it becomes sticky like honey.
What people rave about is not the oil as much as the marketing. This is supposed to be the most expensive Oud in the world, and so necessarily that generates a lot of buzz. I think my Chinese Exclusive, which is 100% wild Hainan oil, distilled in 2004, and has been carefully preserved from oxidation in air-tight German Pyrex, stored in the dark, is a far more interesting oil than Thaqeel.

Thaqeel means "heavy" in Arabic. And it is just that, a thick oil that impresses people when they encounter the stickiness of it. Nothing worth writing home about.

Not to mention that ASAQ does not produce their own oils, but they buy wholesale from other Gulf conglomerates like al Haramain, Ajmal, etc. This is common knowledge among the Oud producing folks.

Salam peter asaq have big factory in holy mecca and they make all distillation there and I already get invited by one of asaq family to visit the factory and see all process and if god want I will visit and take all video about that in future , this video inside asaq factory

 

[peter4ptv]

Hi Mandeel, interesting video I like the huge distillery and it looks very clean, nice to see they still use the old style collecting the oil no fantasy glass collectors. Well some OCD people may not like this way LOL"......."

 

[peter4ptv]

Hey Pearl, you always begging for proof if anybody start saying the truth or what they think about the marketing tactics of your beloved vendors since the BN times, I already have sent you in private back on BN the name of the hindi non barn distiller and the Green Burmesian distiler, well too bad you will no more getting any of your green kynam oils, Taha have made some demands, so the Burma distiller have sent him to go pound sands LOL. So no more kynam oil for now from him. Why don't you ask them for any proof. I do not need to give proof to anyone, every person has his own brain to think and to believe whatever he likes.

I am stoping here will not like this to continued because as you said will become another BN style

Let's go back to reviewing oils not people.
After all this what was this forum created for.

 

[Mr B]

I just wana know what happened with the GCMS reports of KZ1985 and Thaqeel original batch.

I found it quite ironic when the super mod threatened to ban any fan boys. that Street runs both ways you know.

 

[peter4ptv]

@Al Shareef Oudh


Some Hindi's do have a scent profile that includes barn, some don't. With the Hindi's I've been exposed to there has been variation in scent profile, in my own subjective opinion; some are ripely cheesy, some are more fermented, some are more vegetally indolic, some have different combinations and levels of the aforementioned notes, some are completely void of any of the aforementioned notes.

What say you Akhi, what qualifies an oil to be a Hindi?

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Pearl looks like you got this wrong about what hindis was, you completely right about the now days hindis in general. it was question it if the really old pre vintage hindi oils were crystal clear no barn smell made only from no soak wood.
I am assuming that Alshareef was talking about the old times pre vintage hindis as it was the discussion also for only the back in times oils and the documents I post were for oils made in ancient times as it point it out in the document

 

[peter4ptv]

I just wana know what happened with the GCMS reports of KZ1985 and Thaqeel original batch.

I found it quite ironic when the super mod threatened to ban any fan boys. that Street runs both ways you know.

Hi Mr. B, as far as I know listen closely have done the test already he was ask to share it here but he answered thath he will post only on BN when the forum opens again, I am not sure what are reasons behind and do not like to share on any other place.

 

[Oudamberlove]

It's obvious that as perception of Oudiness and Barnyardiness varies from Ouddict to Ouddict, so does the qualifications of what determines a Classic Al Hind. A true Ouddict is into Oud, history is for historians 😎

I just tried a full swipe of Hudhayl the oil.
Phase 1, chocolate and cigar, incense and resin, musk and old wood, oudy and syrup, peppery and dried fruit. Phase 2, a brightness blooms with more incense and a delicious barn, then for a while it mimics a Cambodi, the dried fruits start to hydrate and share their aroma, there's coffee brewing in the backroom on a tabletop of polished antique wood. Phase 3, more resin, more barnyard, more oudiness, more spice. The brightness has turned into darkness.
This oil has an aged vibe already but it will surely age more. Not very barny, not a beast, you have to come in close to enjoy the show. It's hard to stop sniffing this one.

 

[Mandeel AlMandeel]

for me I enjoy both hindi the classic way and the clean way sometime u miss the classic and some time u like to smell something like natural French perfume! 🙂

 

[RobertOne]

for me I enjoy both hindi the classic way and the clean way sometime u miss the classic and some time u like to smell something like natural French perfume! 🙂

I completely agree with you, Mandeel.

I think because I first experienced everything from a sample set of so many contrasting styles of Ouds as well as sandalwoods and natural perfumes I have no entrenched view on what 'real' Oud is, I can just enjoy that which is for it's innate beauty.

Surely if you apply an Oud on your skin and it brings you pleasure, stimulation, mental focus, slightly altered conciousness and last but not least piques the interest of, or gives the people around you pleasure then does tradition or the 'right' way matter so much?

I am looking forward to seeing more peaceful and informative reviews in this thread.

 

[Mandeel AlMandeel]

I completely agree with you, Mandeel.

I think because I first experienced everything from a sample set of so many contrasting styles of Ouds as well as sandalwoods and natural perfumes I have no entrenched view on what 'real' Oud is, I can just enjoy that which is for it's innate beauty.

Surely if you apply an Oud on your skin and it brings you pleasure, stimulation, mental focus, slightly altered conciousness and last but not least piques the interest of, or gives the people around you pleasure then does tradition or the 'right' way matter so much?

I am looking forward to seeing more peaceful and informative reviews in this thread.

for me I swipe oud everyday in morning at my work office I can't work without oud & Arabic coffe!

 

[Oud_learner]

Surely if you apply an Oud on your skin and it brings you pleasure, stimulation, mental focus, slightly altered conciousness and last but not least piques the interest of, or gives the people around you pleasure then does tradition or the 'right' way matter so much?

Just as the scent profile preferences vary greatly between Ouddicts, I learn that different cultures and individuals look upon Oud in different perspective and importance as well. To some, Oud is more than just mere pleasure or olfactory satisfaction, it is also part and parcel of their life as well.

There is nothing wrong with expression of one's view, as long as everyone is open and respect one another's opinion. After all, what is the joy and fun of participating in a forum if everybody shares the same view? 😉

 

[Habz786]

Good morning every i hope you are all well. Firstly i would just like to say any posts containing personal attacks have been removed as per the forum rules. Also if people want to share their views please provide some sort of evidences and respectfully share your thoughts. If Moderators see any such posts please remove them ASAP! We have had such a good run lets all please try and maintain a good level of conduct and discipline and enjoy our time with Oud.

Thank you 🙂

 

[firdaous]

@Oud_learner well said and indeed different perceptions are approved and recommended especially in this kind of forum!
And yes obviously I consider the Indians without barn not hindis at All...even if I am the only one!
I am a purist not a historian...😎

 

[Al Shareef Oudh]

@Al Shareef Oudh
Wa alaikum salaam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh Rafiq

I don't know what you're reading😉 But since it's you and only for you, despite knowing what hair brained tangents this discourse can go in(especially when subjectivity may not further enlighten this discourse😎), this one last time, here goes.....

Some Hindi's do have a scent profile that includes barn, some don't. With the Hindi's I've been exposed to there has been variation in scent profile, in my own subjective opinion; some are ripely cheesy, some are more fermented, some are more vegetally indolic, some have different combinations and levels of the aforementioned notes, some are completely void of any of the aforementioned notes.

What say you Akhi, what qualifies an oil to be a Hindi?

Jazak Allah Khair for clarifying.

You list a set of scent 'profiles', then you qualify that statement by adding "some have different combinations and levels of the aforementioned notes", which is fine, I believe that is something we can agree upon as the most factually correct statement. However when you continue to say things like "....some are completely void of any of the aforementioned notes." That is very problematic. If that is the case then by way of elimination of possibility you are saying that a Hindi can smell like anything.

Subjectively that is fine to say, or anything else that you perceive.

To answer your question, every species of Aquilaria has its own uniqueness. That doesn't mean every scent element within a specific species is exclusive, however there is enough variance among species to make them unique. Hindi Oudh is no different. Malaccensis trees being the main type of Oudh in the subcontinent even as a wood has barn to it. If you get a piece of Indian wood and wipe with a damp cloth this becomes evident.

The term Dehn Oudh Al Hindi or in short Oudh Al Hindi, Hindi Oudh Oil, is a genre on it's own, that genre is an Arab culturally developed genre and it is always oudh with strong barn. If one was to walk in the old Souq In Riyyadh or Jeddah, Makkah or Madeenah and ask the old Indian Attars for Oudh Al Hindi, he will pull out a oudh oil with a strong barn. That is a culturally accepted reference.

However the term from a linguistic perspective Oudh Al Hindi, or Hindi Oudh, then that can refer to any Oudh from India, just like saying Rajul Hindi, Hindi Guy.

 

[jalil]

Thank al Sareef oudh...clear and short explication

 

[peter4ptv]

I will ask the moderators to remove the video load it by mr. B
We have a members from all over with many different backgrounds and this is not nice.

 

[Bengal Roots]

Good morning every i hope you are all well. Firstly i would just like to say any posts containing personal attacks have been removed as per the forum rules. Also if people want to share their views please provide some sort of evidences and respectfully share your thoughts. If Moderators see any such posts please remove them ASAP! We have had such a good run lets all please try and maintain a good level of conduct and discipline and enjoy our time with Oud.

Thank you 🙂

Hello,

Mr. B video is so off topic! I mean what it got to do with Oud! Can you please request to remove video. Now all Indians are scamsters