Each country categorizes and names it differently, which is why I raised my question about the term kyara. I understand your point about implying that kyara represents the best and highest quality. However, using it for an entire subgroup of aromatic wood (here kinam) while also using it for Rakoku and Managa raises the question of how to know when kyara is kinam and when kyara is a high-quality Rakoku or Managa (while Rakoku or Managa are not kyara). This is something I truly don’t understand yet. As for Qinan or Kinam being the same, I do know that because my country and China have a certain linguistic relationship. But with kyara, I’m not sure, and that’s why I brought this up to ask you and other members who know more about this than I do.
I don't know what you implying here? if there was any problem with the Kyara classificaiton chinese wouldn't have thrown millions to get lots of it from japan.
And i already posted before that many of woods sold in other markets as kinam doesn't cut it in japanese standards so its labeled under something else.
There is few reasons for finding Kyara/kinam under Rakoku, Managa and Manaban but i won't talk about because you won't understand it.
Here i know some confusing happens because you based your conclusions with lack of information.
If you go to Shoyeido, Yamadamatsu, Nipponkodo etc and ask them for Kyara they will show you the grades they sell for everyone and those grades are what you guys mostly call Kinam, however if you ask them for Rikkokugomi Kyara they will show you entire different scent of Kyara, just because there is many top Kyara's exist doesn't mean all of them fall under the RIkkokugomi Kyara traditional profile as long you know that there is no confusion.
The historical documents and woodblock prints of my country from 300 years ago noted these things, from the time we expanded our territory southward (to ancient Champa, now Vietnam). Before that period, I'm not sure how they conducted trade in kinam blocks. However, according to some old records, the harvesting of kinam during that time was prohibited, and even punishable by death if discovered. Any kinam blocks found were to be surrendered to the king. It's possible that Japan collected these pieces through diplomatic missions or exchanges between nations.
And? you talking 300 years ago while Japan been dealing with it way longer than that, and got nothing to do with why Kyara named Kyara in japan, while the establishment of Rikkokugomi was in muromoshi period japan dealt with Kyara and other woods for way longer time
The arrival of incense in Japan was during the Asuka period and that is way before the current system
There is lots of Historical manuscripts also mentioned that during that time lots of Vietnamese ships brought entire trees cutted to parts and brought to Japan, besides that around 100 year ago or so there is two big whole sell compnies who used to import tons of Kinam and other wood.
There is lots to say here i heard about but i won't mention it.
This is perhaps the most valuable point I've found among the ideas you just mentioned. It connects quite a lot of information that I've gathered during my collection process. My issue is not implying that hard oil and not soft oil is kyara; rather, I'm looking into the origins and recognition of kyara in Japan and when a piece of soft oil would be considered kyara. I completely agree with you that the most important thing here is the aroma, which will determine everything.
I’ll share something additional with you that you might not know about, as even the Japanese might not be aware of it. The softness or hardness of the oil depends on the timing of harvesting the kinam/kyara. When a tree is in the process of growing and accumulating oil, if it is harvested, it will have a soft, moist, and oily feel with a very strong aroma. We call this "lively" oil. When these trees wither and die (partially or completely), the oil in the tree dries out, becoming harder and more brittle, with a lack of vitality. We call this "dead" oil. This is something that only those who directly harvest at different times of the tree's life can understand, explaining part of why there is a difference between these types. There are also one or two other types, but I won't mention them here. And therefore, I have no prejudice against soft oil kyara.
Kyara is Kyara was it soft or hard.
This Idea's you mentioned pretty much isn't iron rule and lack credibiditly because even with dead trees "not hit by strike or flood etc naturally die there is hard and soft oil in it" its not only hard >.>
Also not every soft oil is lively and not every hard oil isn't, and not all soft oils requires low heat and loud and not all hard oil require high heat and subtle, i still don't understand how someone could set that as iron rule, just trying few pieces tells you how false is it.
Honestly i thought its really something new i mean besides the term you use in your country there is nothing new, if you know where to look and who to ask in Japan and china this information pretty much flying around.
I have read and heard alot about soft silk oils and hard silk oils and how many of the soft oils hardness with time, but not all of pieces get this transformation.
I don't have much experience with the type you mentioned, so I'll wait for an opportunity to experience it in the future. As for shin kyara, you've shared those points before. I think this term will be quite interesting and needs further clarification, rather than some general concepts.
Visit the 3 big agarwod Museums in china located "Dongguan and Chongqing" and try it yourself, you can also Wushangge to get sample of Hainan or Hong Kong Kinam.
As for shinkyara its crystal clear.
I understand that you are saying Shino Ryu Kyara is a kyara named or owned by Shino Ryo, but it is classified as Rakoku. I thought Rakoku was a geographical region according to Rikkoku Gomi. Or is it that, based on geographical divisions, the Japanese have a different way of classifying into six basic scent types, which are also named Kyara, Rakoku, Managa, Manaban, Sasora, and Sumotara? I really didn't know this. Could you clarify this point further?
I explained this maybe two to three times and i have no plan on doing it anymore.
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