That’s a good way to do it. That way you can control the oxidation and keep some in a less altered form.

That Malaysian stuff was so stubborn. I tried diluting with alcohol, putting a small residue in a 4ml corked bottle like the one shown, letting those sit for many moons - but that sucker took years to come in line. It was NOT hard to resist using that one up due to that aggressive top note. It didn’t smell burnt, but maybe it was close to it and just heavily carmelized or something along those lines. And then I got in the habit of ignoring it… so it snuck up on me.
 
So who's opinion can I trust? Is there an oil that I can expect to actually have a kinamic scent?

I have smelled some oils that are supposedly kinamic from sellers other than Ensar, but I am having a hard time pinning down any particular note that they share that is unique. I have been meaning to try some more of your oils. Do you have any oils that would qualify as kinamic?
only your own opinion! seek to find some real kinam, smell it a couple days and you will have your answers. in my opinion the sellers that use the name "kinam" in the oils the sell is all marketing and trying to badtise their oil to the highest grade aroma so that it will spark interest in a mind of some curious buyer. ensar did it because he was charging 5000$/3g bottles so this was a great way to get people super curious and it worked. keep in mind there are many kinams with different notes so smelling just one doesnt mean you understand the whole spectrum but you will clearly realize that in no way do the oils resemble the kinam wood. only one oil from the many i smelled actually smelled like purple kinam and also yellow kinam with hints of green kinam on a crazy level and that is EO "oud ertugrul" but in a cooler more indoor environment and not a hot one outside which gives it a more mossy grassy forrest floor like tint, an oil that was dirt cheap 670$/2.5g and it is the only oil that i search for LOL but thats just me. i started my agarwood journey with kyara then a year later i tried agarwood and then a couple months later i tried oils so for me it was hard to like agarwood oils. i have come to like them now but i still do not feel the love for them that i do with woods. i sold all my oils so i can fund woods. best thing i ever did cause it was a nightmare to want expensive oils and also expensive woods. i was always trying to up my budget and my oils were the least hurt of losing

so yea, get you some kyara a kyara heater, experience the wood and you will see that no "kinam" oils come close to the experience. if anything you will find tiny aspects in oils that are like 1-5/100 of the characteristics or kyara so yea still nothing like it but a small idea that is hardly noticed and fades fast or isnt strong enough as it hardly shines in a drydown of an oil
 
Are there any oils that you would say are actually kinamic? I have tried some from other vendors that say that their oils smell kinamic but I just don't really get it. Some people say that NTLTD is very strongly kinamic and some say there is no kinam note. I don't know who to believe.
NTLTD is kinamic ONLY on the heater. put some on a kinam heater on 70-120c it is def kinamic much more than when smelling it on your hand but still not kinam kinam on the heater
 
@Jame a bit more about kyara...1000% you will find the best kyara is from Vietnam-china-cambodia. all other regions just lack the balance and depth. of course super grade woods from all regions can be called kyara because they have beautiful aroma and it is projected in low temps all the way up to high temps but you can tell they are not true kyara because at high heat the resin will smell just like agarwood does, you dont get that burnt resin/wood fiber smell that you dont get from black kynam and purple kinam or even chinese kinam lol or any kinam! you do get it with those supposed kinam woods from all those other regions like brunei, borneo etc etc that the chinese and others claim are kinam woods.

green kyara: top grade is soft pliable sticky, oily. in the mouth it is bitter/numbing/spicy..on the heater it will always have a wet feel and never leave residue on the heater surface.

black and purple kinam: hard like agarwood, not oily to touch, not sticky, its dry. the taste in the mouth is either sweet or no taste at all but the aroma is loud if the purple or black kinam is high grade. black and purple kyara will leave residue on the heater surface in higher temps

white kinam: similar to green

chinese kinam: similar to black and purple

yellow kinam: mostly spicy in the mouth and numbing not as bitter as green, pungent flowery sometimes confused with pursat kyara. it is like a green without the wetness and bitterness...its mostly like spicy sweet flowery and of course bitterness also in it etc

cambodia pursat: similar to green but the wood is never super oily it is a mid hardness and if very resin formed will be more like black and purple kinam hard. however this kinam also has oil within. there is both resin formation and oil streaks within its fibers. very special kinam if you can find a high grade one.

all the kinams that are high grade have a balance in bitter sweet salty acid etc but i see that mostly black is mostly pungent/salty sweet...while purple is mostly sweet/flowery, green mostly bitter flowery and oriental like same as white but white has more sweetness always and also more otherworldly note that non of the others have.

the effects are similar. green, white, yellow and pursat have the cleanest effects in general. while purple, black and chinese are more imposing. of course this isnt a standard but just what i see from within my personal collection.

i think its a good idea to just forget about kinam oils and kinamic oils and just remember they are just good agarwood oils many times and hyped also.

an oil that was also very kinamic but definitely not full spectrum was jinko store grand emperor of hainan and grand emperor of vietnam. they had a lot of similarities but still not covering it. if one was to mix these oils with a royal kinam from ensar and a fraction of ntltd it would be much more kinamic than all other "kinamic" oils

now, if you want REAL kyara oil in an attar, find kyara diser perfume. this is not something easy to see tho because there are other ingredients. but if you stuy the kyara a bit you will be able to pin point the kyara oil in the perfume easy..takes time. i have a yamadamatsu kyara that when i smelled it in room temperature i was so in love it smelled rosy and violet. i remember thinking i wish i could find an oil that smelled like that. months later i discovered kyara diser and i was amazed thinking that it smelled just like the yamadamatsu. the diser has rose and patchuli and it is not easy to dicipher the kyara in it but when you do it will be much easier for the brain to piick up on it from within the other notes and its amazing. its a sweet spicy slightly bitter kinam profile and it is probably not distilled but mostly co2
 
@Jame a bit more about kyara...1000% you will find the best kyara is from Vietnam-china-cambodia. all other regions just lack the balance and depth. of course super grade woods from all regions can be called kyara because they have beautiful aroma and it is projected in low temps all the way up to high temps but you can tell they are not true kyara because at high heat the resin will smell just like agarwood does, you dont get that burnt resin/wood fiber smell that you dont get from black kynam and purple kinam or even chinese kinam lol or any kinam! you do get it with those supposed kinam woods from all those other regions like brunei, borneo etc etc that the chinese and others claim are kinam woods.

green kyara: top grade is soft pliable sticky, oily. in the mouth it is bitter/numbing/spicy..on the heater it will always have a wet feel and never leave residue on the heater surface.

black and purple kinam: hard like agarwood, not oily to touch, not sticky, its dry. the taste in the mouth is either sweet or no taste at all but the aroma is loud if the purple or black kinam is high grade. black and purple kyara will leave residue on the heater surface in higher temps

white kinam: similar to green

chinese kinam: similar to black and purple

yellow kinam: mostly spicy in the mouth and numbing not as bitter as green, pungent flowery sometimes confused with pursat kyara. it is like a green without the wetness and bitterness...its mostly like spicy sweet flowery and of course bitterness also in it etc

cambodia pursat: similar to green but the wood is never super oily it is a mid hardness and if very resin formed will be more like black and purple kinam hard. however this kinam also has oil within. there is both resin formation and oil streaks within its fibers. very special kinam if you can find a high grade one.

all the kinams that are high grade have a balance in bitter sweet salty acid etc but i see that mostly black is mostly pungent/salty sweet...while purple is mostly sweet/flowery, green mostly bitter flowery and oriental like same as white but white has more sweetness always and also more otherworldly note that non of the others have.

the effects are similar. green, white, yellow and pursat have the cleanest effects in general. while purple, black and chinese are more imposing. of course this isnt a standard but just what i see from within my personal collection.

i think its a good idea to just forget about kinam oils and kinamic oils and just remember they are just good agarwood oils many times and hyped also.

an oil that was also very kinamic but definitely not full spectrum was jinko store grand emperor of hainan and grand emperor of vietnam. they had a lot of similarities but still not covering it. if one was to mix these oils with a royal kinam from ensar and a fraction of ntltd it would be much more kinamic than all other "kinamic" oils

now, if you want REAL kyara oil in an attar, find kyara diser perfume. this is not something easy to see tho because there are other ingredients. but if you stuy the kyara a bit you will be able to pin point the kyara oil in the perfume easy..takes time. i have a yamadamatsu kyara that when i smelled it in room temperature i was so in love it smelled rosy and violet. i remember thinking i wish i could find an oil that smelled like that. months later i discovered kyara diser and i was amazed thinking that it smelled just like the yamadamatsu. the diser has rose and patchuli and it is not easy to dicipher the kyara in it but when you do it will be much easier for the brain to piick up on it from within the other notes and its amazing. its a sweet spicy slightly bitter kinam profile and it is probably not distilled but mostly co2
“What does a Strawberry taste like?”
 
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Yes - but the exercise is to illustrate how impossible it is to convey what one tastes like to someone who has never tasted one.

Most of us have probably never talked to someone who has never tasted a strawberry. Imagine trying to describe its taste to someone who has never tasted it. All we’ve ever needed to do is reference it and it’s immediately known what we are saying.

It’s good to talk about it. @language scent i thought your summary of the flavors was very good. 🥰🙌🏼

@Maunamoku - looking at chemical isolates to me is like trying to describe what an orgasm feels like to someone who doesn’t even know what sex is…let alone never experienced one 😆

Kynam / Kyara most people have never smelled. Nothing we say will really convey what it smells like. The only real way to know and understand it is to experience it.

And when it comes to Kynam / Kyara … it’s not just a singular strawberry.
 
Yes - but the exercise is to illustrate how impossible it is to convey what one tastes like to someone who has never tasted one.

Most of us have probably never talked to someone who has never tasted a strawberry. Imagine trying to describe its taste to someone who has never tasted it. All we’ve ever needed to do is reference it and it’s immediately known what we are saying.

It’s good to talk about it. @language scent i thought your summary of the flavors was very good. 🥰🙌🏼

@Maunamoku - looking at chemical isolates to me is like trying to describe what an orgasm feels like to someone who doesn’t even know what sex is…let alone never experienced one 😆

Kynam / Kyara most people have never smelled. Nothing we say will really convey what it smells like. The only real way to know and understand it is to experience it.

And when it comes to Kynam / Kyara … it’s not just a singular strawberry.
you gotta make another co2 kinam oil man. i already tried the other ones you sold. would be nice to make a pure green one. yamadamatsu told me a year ago 70k/kg of the lower grade he has. that would definitely make 2-4 tolas would be possible for people to buy
 
you gotta make another co2 kinam oil man. i already tried the other ones you sold. would be nice to make a pure green one. yamadamatsu told me a year ago 70k/kg of the lower grade he has. that would definitely make 2-4 tolas would be possible for people to buy
Gotta get the existing one sold first 😆

A wild Green Kynam oil sounds like a nice aspiration, though 🙌🏼
 
My Vietnamese plantation crassna bracelet smells like #%* so I decided I will give up any attempt to maintain the purity of its scent. Rubbed it down with pureoud sweet trat of all things - this dirt cheap oil’s dry down is gold to my nose at this point and the funky opening fades quickly. I’m getting the best tangy crassna wood and oil wafts for hours and hours - like having a burner under my nose where it is gently releasing the sweet long tail of a nice Cambodian wood
 
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That is an oil that I missed!
 
That is an oil that I missed!
I watch this thread anyways, but in general if you want someone to see your reply to their comment you need to quote it in your reply.

Anyways I assume you are replying to me and yeah you really missed out. Very high quality and stupid for the price.
 
I didn’t mean that I didn’t have a chance to get it - going to miss it because I can’t imagine dropping $400 on a gram!
 
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