Ok - i have had more sniffs. All three oils habz sent seem like absolutely primo / select specimens of the categories that they represent. I haven’t smelled another oil like the zamrad 2 since agarwoodindonesia’s first over the top distillation run many years ago. There is unsoaked hindi is immaculate- can really smell that classic hindi wood without barn or cheese or smoke - smooth, powdery, velvety, resinous with a sassafras note i often smell in Hindi oil. The thai oil is also super nice - kind of recharged my interest in the region- it is thick and heavy and aged smelling. Smells thai, but unusually dignified.

Had to check the names. The thai is “Boran” and the hindi is “tipu sultan”

Anyway, these all feel carefully selected to avoid the less appealing notes that at times show up in even good quality oil.
Agree with you on Habz tipu sultan, nice all the way through.
 
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I revisited this after a long time and I'm slamming my head into my desk for not buying more when I had the chance. It's such a lovely oil with coffee. Perfect for this cold and dark autumn weather.
Agreed! someone really enjoyed in the desert as well! 😉

 
This thing is horrendous! I would not dare to wear this outside. if I wear this and go outside, people will smack my face and I won't be able to speak a word about it.
This is what my wife does whenever I wear hindis in the house. She says “get in the shower NOW” lololol.

I guess she doesn’t like that it sticks to every surface in the house but I’m with you. They’re good to enjoy alone but I rarely wear them outdoors except to go hiking.
 
I haven’t met anyone who likes the smell of a Hindi on me 😂
 
Agreed! someone really enjoyed in the desert as well! 😉

Oh what an amazing place to enjoy that oil! That's an epic place!
 
I’m back. I’m just working on fragrance all the time these days from home so that is why I am smelling so many things recently.

Our talk yesterday about making a master blend from old samples had me digging a bit and I came across this sample of Hind from ASO.

I am no connoisseur of Hind oud (working on it…) but this is very much in line with what I’ve come to expect from this region. On first application is clear that this is a quality oil and even though there is a small amount in my tester bottle so lots of air exposure, it has held up well and it smells every bit as good as it did when i first got it. Sometimes I think I have a grip on which notes are coming from fermentation and sometimes I don’t.

My guess would be that this oil had some fair amount of soaking, and would be classified as old-school, gulf oriented due to barnyard and cheese-like aspects in the opening. Am I correct that this is where these aromas come from, and the same wood distilled with zero soak would be a soft smelling sweet woody floral safrole affair? I would love to get this straight.

One thing that’s really nice about this type of oil (for me) is that there is some overlap of aromas I associate with musk tinctures. In a certain sense it is more musky than any non-animal Musk I have experienced.

This oud feels primal. The muskiness is really doing it for me - i need a bit more of this type of scent in my palette. I have actually never purchased a full bottle of a hind other than one wacky one from rksons when Amit was engaging with the basenotes crowd a bit back in ‘98 or whenever the heck it was

If I recall, it is from select plantation wood - can’t quite remember the product descriptionView attachment 31863
Was a great oil from memory, under $200 for a bottle. Not sure why I sold mine!
 
Wearing Grand Emperor Koh Kong today.

Rich, chocolatey spices in the opening that to my nose actually smells like dark Chocolate (which to me is a hallmark of high quality Oud oils) and that’s not even a good descriptor. I struggle to find the right way to describe this exact aroma but I’ve smelled it in every top shelf old school Oud oil I’ve smelled.

It’s quickly followed by the most incredibly bitter Cambodian profile I’ve ever smelled. It’s insanely addictive. This is an oil that the almighty lord and savior Enzar would charge $2000 for a single gram. It’s that good.

Only oil I’ve smelled that hit me in the same was recently was @AlHindOud Sinking Malaysian. Which that’s another example of one of the best old school ouds I’ve smelled. It’s insane people keep finding these gems and bringing them to the world for us to enjoy.
 
This thing is horrendous! I would not dare to wear this outside. if I wear this and go outside, people will smack my face and I won't be able to speak a word about it.


“tastes like burnt nickers”
“tastes like the back of my dogs paw”
“it’s like going through a wet bog”
“the more rough the winter is, the more beautiful this stuff is”
“You smell the elements, you smell the wildness”

One of the most loved (and hated) whiskies in the world.

So much parallel between our sense of taste and our sense of smell. The thing one person loves is the thing another hates. There’s beauty in that!

All I can say is… to me, hindi oud is for rough winters… whether that be the actual cold weather where the more smelly volatiles are toned down or, a stressful day at work, where you want something that grabs your attention and brings you back to the earth.
 
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Well wearing a bit of everything today.

Started off with a Hindi SQ from the 1990s.

Then proceed to bottle some orders and ended up with tigerwood Terengganu all my hands.

To top it all off have 3 different spray fragrances (upcoming launch) all over hands and arms as the sample vial prep went a little messy let’s say…
 
I have 3 set box from YUHZI Ouds 2020. Today weirdly the oil gave me next to nothing. A little chemical smell. I kept waiting for something to happen. Maybe a delayed oud punch, something, anything. All 3 were nothing bagels. If I were Yuhzi Oud and I sent out anything like this I would do a RECALL and apologize. Actually I'm getting a headache. Need to wash it off.
 
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I have 3 set box from YUHZI Ouds 2020. Today weirdly the oil gave me next to nothing. A little chemical smell. I kept waiting for something to happen. Maybe a delayed oud punch, something, anything. All 3 were nothing bagels. If I were Yuhzi Oud and I sent out anything like this I would do a RECALL and apologize. Actually I'm getting a headache. Need to wash it off.
Could only find mentions of the brand in this write-up, (a very odd blog post or article if you ask me, just read it) apparently it's the "largest agarwood farm and factory in China", so this must be the mega factories that RPP was talking about in his cultivated kinam oil listing.

Apparently the owners of the brand that came out with that article, used to be a member here, here's one of his posts and apparently a post with a short review about the brand's attar sampler, most peculiar is that the brand that hosted the article on Yuhzi ouds, is(/was ?) a resident artisan on the forum, and they even have YouTube channel. Yuhzi, or Yuzhi 🤔
 
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Could only find mentions of the brand in this write-up, (a very odd blog post or article if you ask me, just read it) apparently it's the "largest agarwood farm and factory in China", so this must be the mega factories that RPP was talking about in his cultivated kinam oil listing.

Apparently the owners of the brand that came out with that article, used to be a member here, here's one of his posts and apparently a post with a short review about the brand's attar sampler, most peculiar is that the brand that hosted the article on Yuhzi ouds, is(/was ?) a resident artisan on the forum, and they even have YouTube channel. Yuhzi, or Yuzhi 🤔
Yuzhi Oud is actually a trusted brand. The problem is that they clearly state they sell Co2 extracts which are not meant to be full spectrum oils and sometimes it can bother people with how poorly they perform. A lot of their extracts are meant for perfumery purposes and building accords verse wearing as standalone oils.

Most of the cultivated Kinam you’ve ever come across on the market comes from their plantations. In fact they have some of the best plantation Kinam that I’ve smelled out of most I’ve tried. People talk about them quite often though in the community as they’re kind of a staple going all the way back to KyaraZen.

Matt Meleg has nothing to do with Yuzhi Oud and if you want to know more about them check this out.

 
Yuzhi Oud is actually a trusted brand. The problem is that they clearly state they sell Co2 extracts which are not meant to be full spectrum oils and sometimes it can bother people with how poorly they perform. A lot of their extracts are meant for perfumery purposes and building accords verse wearing as standalone oils.

Most of the cultivated Kinam you’ve ever come across on the market comes from their plantations. In fact they have some of the best plantation Kinam that I’ve smelled out of most I’ve tried. People talk about them quite often though in the community as they’re kind of a staple going all the way back to KyaraZen.

Matt Meleg has nothing to do with Yuzhi Oud and if you want to know more about them check this out.

Thank you for the clear response Castingshadows! I realize just brainstorming things as you're looking for them can come across as though I'm trying to put shade on respected individuals, didn't occur to me while writing said post, but was thinking about it a lot afterwards. I guess I wanted to understand a bit about the expectations placed on the samples, what specifically didn't match up, knowing that they almost surely had to be Co2 extracts, if that was being factored in etc.

If its alright I think I'll axe my previous post, as it neither provides any valuable discussion nor sticks with the topic of the thread.
 
Wearing Grand Emperor Koh Kong today.

Rich, chocolatey spices in the opening that to my nose actually smells like dark Chocolate (which to me is a hallmark of high quality Oud oils) and that’s not even a good descriptor. I struggle to find the right way to describe this exact aroma but I’ve smelled it in every top shelf old school Oud oil I’ve smelled.

It’s quickly followed by the most incredibly bitter Cambodian profile I’ve ever smelled. It’s insanely addictive. This is an oil that the almighty lord and savior Enzar would charge $2000 for a single gram. It’s that good.

Only oil I’ve smelled that hit me in the same was recently was @AlHindOud Sinking Malaysian. Which that’s another example of one of the best old school ouds I’ve smelled. It’s insane people keep finding these gems and bringing them to the world for us to enjoy.
It really is a great oil!
I gotta admit, it behaved really different during hot/humid weather. I didn't like it that much in summer, when I received it, but now it's delicious! Sadly, I just have a tiny sample.
 
Could only find mentions of the brand in this write-up, (a very odd blog post or article if you ask me, just read it) apparently it's the "largest agarwood farm and factory in China", so this must be the mega factories that RPP was talking about in his cultivated kinam oil listing.

Apparently the owners of the brand that came out with that article, used to be a member here, here's one of his posts and apparently a post with a short review about the brand's attar sampler, most peculiar is that the brand that hosted the article on Yuhzi ouds, is(/was ?) a resident artisan on the forum, and they even have YouTube channel. Yuhzi, or Yuzhi 🤔
Yeah, it’s comical.

To be clear for “you know who” - I’ve never sold any of Jeff’s products. Nor do I use them in formulation.

For starters - he sells as “Hainan” - but his plantation is in Guangdong. That is - on mainland China. Not the island of Hainan. So right off the bat he’s misleading people.

Offhand, I think he first contacted me back in 2016. Maybe it was 2015, but 2016 is the first time coming to mind.

He had sent me some samples, which I wasn’t too thrilled about. Flat, linear, unidimensional and uninteresting.

The thing that I kept warning him about that really irked me, is that I was seeing that he was not only contacting other vendors, but he was also reaching out to clients directly. I kept warning him that he would undermine pretty much any business he was selling to if he was going to be selling direct - at more or less the same price he was selling to businesses. He was going to end up screwing his own clients by underselling them, leaving them with worthless stocks on hand.

And guess what happened? He ended up screwing a bunch of vendors. Who would’a thunk? Fortunately I avoided that whole mess. (I could say the same about another group of coastal Chinese distillers, btw)

Ironically, “somebody” was saying that material from him should cost 3 to 5 dollars per gram. But I’ve spoken to other clients who have gone to his shop in Dubai and they’ve told me that he sells the same material for $30,000 a kg.

People love to scream at vendors for marking up product… And I just spent an entire weekend being attacked when you’ve got bozos like this guy Jeff out there.

So imagine - people are buying - wholesale - at $30K / kg and then reselling it for higher in the Gulf. I’m not even doing this … but I’m the monster 😆

I don’t do business with Jeff / YuZhi. Rarely do I do business with distillers that everyone else is working with these days. And a good deal we are now producing internally. In addition to the vintage oils and other unique specimens we find along the way.

Sorry to butt in - but after the weekend I had and the stalker we all know I have now, I figured it was worth pointing this out and clarifying.
 
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