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What's the advantage of buying it by the ml?
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mobyus
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In Saudi Arabia it’s measured by ml or tola (3ml = 1/4 tola) and (6ml= 1/2tola). I’m just accustomed to these measurements. Grams are usually used to measure dry material I would say. Sometimes they even measure chips/agarwoob bakhoor by the tola - which confuses me. But most use grams for dry Oud/chips.
Alamande
True Ouddict
Here’s my take on it: It makes more sense to sell oils and attars by weight, not volume, because of how much they vary in density.
Strictly speaking, a tola is a weight measurement, defined as approximately 11.6 grams.
However, realistically the containers we buy oils in have to be mass-produced, so there needs to be a standardised volume for them…as mobyus says above, the convention is 3ml for a ‘quarter tola’ container, thus 6ml for a half and 12ml for a full tola.
But that doesn’t change that fact that 12ml of syrupy oud will weigh more than 12ml of rose oil. So if the vendor is selling a very dense oil by weight, the container might not be completely full.
Please correct me folks if I went wrong somehow.
mobyus
True Ouddict
Makes sense.
Mr.P
oud<3er
I've scratched my head over this a bunch of times, you could make a case for either of these. I've come to the conclusion that the whole thing is silly but there is a slight practical reason to favor weight as opposed to volume for thick and sticky materials in particular.
Either way you know what you're getting. And either way will have a perceived short coming if you forget what it is that you were buying - it's just a matter of how you choose to look at it which can't really be controlled by a vendor.
For instance if sold by weight you could argue that you get ripped off on dense oils because you get a smaller volume of liquid in a gram than for less dense oils. A bottle of dense oil is "less filled" for a given weight.
If sold by volume, one inclined to argue could put two bottles on scales and point out that the one with the less dense oil weighs less, and is therefore "under-filled". A bottle of less dense oil weighs less, for a given volume.
Of course in either case there isn't anything being under- or over-filled. It is just a matter of knowing whether you are buying a weight or volume. If you buy one expecting the other you will find a discrepancy.
I think one place where people get interestes is when you are shopping around for "one unit" of something. It turns out that 1 g of most oils will have a little more than one mL of volume because most are less dense than water. So if there are two vendors, one is selling 1 g for $30 and the other is selling 1 mL for $30, the guy selling the gram for 30 bucks is being a little bit more generous. And I think this leads people to think that selling by the gram is somehow more generous because in this imaginary scenario you're getting a little more in the 1 g bottle.
In reality of course the generosity has to do with the price point of the oil and you're not getting anything for free just because you're paying for a gram.
Either way you know what you're getting. And either way will have a perceived short coming if you forget what it is that you were buying - it's just a matter of how you choose to look at it which can't really be controlled by a vendor.
For instance if sold by weight you could argue that you get ripped off on dense oils because you get a smaller volume of liquid in a gram than for less dense oils. A bottle of dense oil is "less filled" for a given weight.
If sold by volume, one inclined to argue could put two bottles on scales and point out that the one with the less dense oil weighs less, and is therefore "under-filled". A bottle of less dense oil weighs less, for a given volume.
Of course in either case there isn't anything being under- or over-filled. It is just a matter of knowing whether you are buying a weight or volume. If you buy one expecting the other you will find a discrepancy.
I think one place where people get interestes is when you are shopping around for "one unit" of something. It turns out that 1 g of most oils will have a little more than one mL of volume because most are less dense than water. So if there are two vendors, one is selling 1 g for $30 and the other is selling 1 mL for $30, the guy selling the gram for 30 bucks is being a little bit more generous. And I think this leads people to think that selling by the gram is somehow more generous because in this imaginary scenario you're getting a little more in the 1 g bottle.
In reality of course the generosity has to do with the price point of the oil and you're not getting anything for free just because you're paying for a gram.
Mr.P
oud<3er
While I'm going on about this...
I did some research and in the United States at least it seems the packaging requirements are that fluids are sold by volume and that is what must be marked on retail packaging to meet standards intended to protect consumers and all of that.
(In contrast, solids are sold by weight.)
I personally think it's best to sell the pure oils by weight because that way you don't have to use a volume measurement device, which can be wasteful and inaccurate because of the amount that sticks to the walls with the very thick oils. And some resinoids are really impossible to pipette, or require heating to become a fluid and repeatedly heating oils is not good. So I would 100% sell oils by weight if I could get away with it without any problems.
I did some research and in the United States at least it seems the packaging requirements are that fluids are sold by volume and that is what must be marked on retail packaging to meet standards intended to protect consumers and all of that.
(In contrast, solids are sold by weight.)
I personally think it's best to sell the pure oils by weight because that way you don't have to use a volume measurement device, which can be wasteful and inaccurate because of the amount that sticks to the walls with the very thick oils. And some resinoids are really impossible to pipette, or require heating to become a fluid and repeatedly heating oils is not good. So I would 100% sell oils by weight if I could get away with it without any problems.
Humpdidumpdi
True Ouddict
Ok i have to note this here because its common mis-use of physical units.
Grams are used to describe masses not weights.
Weights if you do it in a correct way are mesured in newtons as unit, because it is a force.
Please forgive me but as a math teacher i do have to correct this 🙈
Grams are used to describe masses not weights.
Weights if you do it in a correct way are mesured in newtons as unit, because it is a force.
Please forgive me but as a math teacher i do have to correct this 🙈
Mr.P
oud<3er
100% correct. I was only using the term with respect to how things are being sold. Mass is preferable for me too as long as everyone is comfortable with the term!
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theaphilosophia
True Ouddict
Jiribam Guf - @RisingPhoenix
This oil is thiccccc, and so good. My favorite kind of hindi: aged traditional distillation. Not clean but not dirty. A perfect balance of deep dark musky oudiness.
Bittersweet chocolate, dark berries, bubbling resin on coal.
If I still drank alcohol, I'd say this would pair perfectly with a nice melomel.
This oil is thiccccc, and so good. My favorite kind of hindi: aged traditional distillation. Not clean but not dirty. A perfect balance of deep dark musky oudiness.
Bittersweet chocolate, dark berries, bubbling resin on coal.
If I still drank alcohol, I'd say this would pair perfectly with a nice melomel.
aoudgauze
True Ouddict
Habzoud's Oud Mamluk this morning. I was both thrown off and also delighted by this one, as it's the most animalic oud I've smelled in a while. Yes, Al Hareer and Oud Lab's Garo Jing are more in your face hay-chocolate-barn but this one has a very distinct civet note to my nose. I got some familiar crystalline green notes, which seem to be running across some Habzoud oils I've tried, along with what could be something like perga and some dampness. Mamluk satisfies my more perverse needs, as it feels dirtied up a bit.
LibraryOfPerfumes
Oud Fanatic
Was Tigerwood 1990 used to make Tigerlust: SE? Because 'delicious' was the exact word when I tried Tigerlust.
Olfactory Nomad
Smells so Oud
Habzoud - Mai Kritsana, this oil could not make me happier. I was greatly lamenting my diminishing bottle of Oud Boran and now gratefully, I have a new oud that will make up for that shortfall. While not EXACTLLY the same it's very close. Maybe better? Definitely unique.
Mr.P
oud<3er
Busting out the Prachin oil that Olefaktory was selling a couple of years back... picked up a few bottles because that was one heck of a deal. Definitely improving with age, I have this out because I may be using it in a perfume project. Not a perfect oil by a LONG shot, but every oud has some flaws and this one has forgivable ones. Tobacco, pepper, resin, soil... i'm not saying this has anything to do with Maroke oud, BUT there is something to the dark tobaccco and earthiness that creates a texture that is vaguely parallel to it... makes me think there is similar approach to processing and distillation in Maroke and Prachin. Just a guess...
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Xerohome
True Ouddict
yeah it is a delicious oud, idk what is the oud in tigerlust:SE
Maunamoku
True Ouddict
Humid Spring air, dense and cool, is being funneled through the mountains this morning, bringing with it a sweet, mineral aroma of stone and snowmelt.
An unreleased Kedah oil on the left wrist, Attar Store NhaTrang on the right. I am in a state of speechless bliss… both are so elegant and ethereal. NhaTrang is slightly more textured, Kedah is sweeter with an addictive fuel note. Kedah is white, NhaTrang is red.
An unreleased Kedah oil on the left wrist, Attar Store NhaTrang on the right. I am in a state of speechless bliss… both are so elegant and ethereal. NhaTrang is slightly more textured, Kedah is sweeter with an addictive fuel note. Kedah is white, NhaTrang is red.
Quintillus
True Ouddict
Gyrinops 0 by La Maison Khenata.
It's a 2018 Vestergii distillation and something I acquired very early on in my Oud journey.
It's a heavy hitter. It's dark, green and earthy. I get ancient dark woods with hints of oceanic freshness. I find it comforting and something I enjoy wearing during wet weather.
It's a 2018 Vestergii distillation and something I acquired very early on in my Oud journey.
It's a heavy hitter. It's dark, green and earthy. I get ancient dark woods with hints of oceanic freshness. I find it comforting and something I enjoy wearing during wet weather.
Mr.P
oud<3er
LMK! wonder what they are up to?
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