@language scent gifted me some home made sandalwood extract which is absolutely beautiful. Made from shoyeido wood I believe. It's a swooping dark minty chocolate with boozy dried fruits underneath and a smooth lick of civet. The smell radiates from the substance like heat. Doesn't smell woody at all and I had no idea what it was when I first smelled it. I would love to use this in perfumery but realistically it can only be made in tiny quantities. It's really nice to open and sniff though.
at room temp i get quite a lot of candy grape on the shoyeido. what you are describing sounds more like the yamadamatsu one. i might have mixed them up. both gorgeous tho regardless. i am obsessed with these extracts. found a way to extract the oils from the whole extract. for some reason when you add the extract into alcohol the resin will gather at the bottom but the oils will be in the alcohol so the alcohol can be removed and evaporated to collect the oil. much easier and faster than my other process.
 
I would love to see a really nice sandalwood absolute some day. Not extracted from the spent wood but from the good stuff.

I would think the yield would be considerably higher, so it would be pretty economical. Certainly should cost less than the distillate it might be a great material for folks experimenting with perfumes and attars.

* I should add that it would probably only cost less if it was produced at some massive scale facilities already set up for it, of course. also, I’m just going on the general assumption that an absolute will include a variety of resins, pigments and waxes that would not be in a distilled oil. I know for Rose, the yield is much higher for the absolute than for the otto for example.

I got this one New Caledonia absolute from Eden botanicals that was very well priced and an amazing oil. $60 an ounce at a time when sandalwood oil was well over 120.
amazing idea! sandalwood absolute!
 
I would love to see a really nice sandalwood absolute some day. Not extracted from the spent wood but from the good stuff.

I would think the yield would be considerably higher, so it would be pretty economical. Certainly should cost less than the distillate it might be a great material for folks experimenting with perfumes and attars.

* I should add that it would probably only cost less if it was produced at some massive scale facilities already set up for it, of course. also, I’m just going on the general assumption that an absolute will include a variety of resins, pigments and waxes that would not be in a distilled oil. I know for Rose, the yield is much higher for the absolute than for the otto for example.

I got this one New Caledonia absolute from Eden botanicals that was very well priced and an amazing oil. $60 an ounce at a time when sandalwood oil was well over 120.
i use many times in last 2 years sandalwood absolute, and right now i have a future blend witch contains good portion of sandalwood absolute from ceylon and indian sandal roots only ! Maybe i will offer separete for sale future, i still have it , is an amazing material and way different to the co2 or distilled indeed , deepness is amazing , way more rich and robuts ,real vanilic creamy with an compromise also, absolutes is not volatile, is mostly basenote, last more than distilled but lower in projection , very good base note
 
Is anyone else interested in some absolute?
Just gauging the desire so I can size the batch. It would be an initial hexane extraction followed by an additional alcohol extraction of the first extract after it came out of the rotary evaporator.
Just so people know what I mean by an absolute 😉
damn so absolute can also be done by alcohol alone? Was this already known or did I discover it? 🤣😂

Initial tincture of sandalwood there was no separation of resin in the tincture, but after alcohol evaporated and I put the extract back in the alcohol the resin gathered at the bottom and liquid has a clear dark red hue. So clearing out the liquid and evaporating it then collecting the oil would be considered an absolute correct? I feel like an idiot asking but was this known?
 
damn so absolute can also be done by alcohol alone? Was this already known or did I discover it? 🤣😂

Initial tincture of sandalwood there was no separation of resin in the tincture, but after alcohol evaporated and I put the extract back in the alcohol the resin gathered at the bottom and liquid has a clear dark red hue. So clearing out the liquid and evaporating it then collecting the oil would be considered an absolute correct? I feel like an idiot asking but was this known?
No bro absolutes cant be done juat by alchool alone
 
@Mario P. This is what the extract I tinctures out of shoyeido sandalwood looks like after having been put back into alcohol. Only the oil dissolved in the alcohol and the resin collected at the bottom. When I remove the liquid leaving behind the resin and then evaporate and recover the oil left behind what will the oil be called?
 

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is a tincture with some alchool evaporated , but not absolutes, sandalwood as exemple is crazy thick , more thicker than honey as absolute, and yes hexane do the best job for sandal, and there are 2 proceses to remove it
 
is a tincture with some alchool evaporated , but not absolutes, sandalwood as exemple is crazy thick , more thicker than honey as absolute, and yes hexane do the best job for sandal, and there are 2 proceses to remove it
Isn’t absolute when you extract something via chemical and then remove the resin via alcohol so the oils left behind? What’s the difference if alcohol is used for both steps? Maybe sandalwood is one of the things that is possible to be done ?
 
OK folks, correct me if I am off:

by definition an absolute is a two stage extraction. First hexane to make concrete, then ethanol to isolate oils from waxes. To look at another way, an absolute is an alcoholic extraction of a concrete, which is a hexane extraction of flowers and leaves, etc..

When you do a straight alcohol extraction and evaporate to thicken it is called a “folded tincture) and if all alcohol is removed, it could be called an ”oleoresin” or “resinoid”

According to one site, the name of the initial material you get from a hexing extract, can either be called a concrete, a resinoid, or an oleoresin.

My understanding is a resinoid is an extract of resin - myrrh, frank, pine…

Oleoresin is a term I see applied to spice extracts - I think it’s produced by the same method as a resinoid, just with a different starting material
 
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OK folks, correct me if I am off:

by definition an absolute is a two stage extraction. First hexane to make concrete, then ethanol to isolate oils from waxes. To look at another way, an absolute is an alcoholic extraction of a concrete, which is a hexane extraction of flowers and leaves, etc..

When you do a straight alcohol extraction and evaporate to thicken it is called a “folded tincture) and if all alcohol is removed, it could be called an ”oleoresin” or “resinoid”

According to one site, the name of the initial material you get from a hexing extract, can either be called a concrete, a resinoid, or an oleoresin.

My understanding is a resinoid is an extract of resin - myrrh, frank, pine…

Oleoresin is a term I see applied to spice extracts - I think it’s produced by the same method as a resinoid, just with a different starting material
So what is it called if the oleoresin is then put back into the alcohol and the resin collects at the bottom but the oil resolves into the alcohol and then alcohol with oil in it is removed and again evaporated so the oil only is left behind?
 
Exactly!
Shipping Mysore sandalwood outside India is near to impossible because of the law.
Even possession of more than 5kgs is illegal in India.

But there are some people who do this on a regular basis. And also Kangiiten get their Mysore from here.

We have sourced some very good quality Mysore but is only available for our Indian Customers.
Even shipping small quantities might get us in trouble.

Hoping for the day when we can send and receive these precious Aromatics without any hassle.
Yeah brother lots of claimed Indian sandalwood outside of India, with only some of them carrying the Indian sandalwood markings. Lots of other Santal album being sold off as Indian. The product and reality on the ground speaks louder than vendor names, makes no difference who the vendor is.
Real mysore sandalwood from India continues to be shipped out and there are existing secondary channels to make this happen. We do import it regularly.
We also stock the real Mysore Sandalwood and actually sandalwoods from around the world, we have sandalwood by absolute from New Caledonia, Sandalwood co2 from Indonesia, Mysore number of batches, Vintage Mysore 1980s, Mysore petrichor Codistillation 1990s.
Would be really interested in your secondary channels, or even your Indian sandalwood if you have them available please drop me a DM.
 
Indian government are supplying Sandalwood from Kerala and East India and it's not Mysore for a very long time. I doubt kangiiten got their blackmeat directly from India, it could be China? or links via kyarazen.

I bought the government stamped billets long time ago and distilled them at a small scale. These log doesn't have any smell at room temperature also they are less fragrant even when burned. If you observe it, they are golden instead of red that tells you how young these tress were when they were cut.

I agree brother, anyone claiming direct supply from India the likelyhood of it being from India is very low, more so for the wood than the oil. Logs claimed from India is not Indian in most cases, small pellets possible.

Yes China, Japan have lots of old stock, but the price of getting them for distillation etc is not reasonable, still reasonable for end user though.
 
I agree brother, anyone claiming direct supply from India the likelyhood of it being from India is very low, more so for the wood than the oil. Logs claimed from India is not Indian in most cases, small pellets possible.

Yes China, Japan have lots of old stock, but the price of getting them for distillation etc is not reasonable, still reasonable for end user though.
i get 10grams of blackmeat from shoyeido for 12$ and the wood is identical to the wood i got 3-4 years ago as the one i got recently. i imagine bulk would be even cheaper. how much would be needed to distill 3-4 tolas of oil?
 
OK folks, correct me if I am off:

by definition an absolute is a two stage extraction. First hexane to make concrete, then ethanol to isolate oils from waxes. To look at another way, an absolute is an alcoholic extraction of a concrete, which is a hexane extraction of flowers and leaves, etc..

When you do a straight alcohol extraction and evaporate to thicken it is called a “folded tincture) and if all alcohol is removed, it could be called an ”oleoresin” or “resinoid”

According to one site, the name of the initial material you get from a hexing extract, can either be called a concrete, a resinoid, or an oleoresin.

My understanding is a resinoid is an extract of resin - myrrh, frank, pine…

Oleoresin is a term I see applied to spice extracts - I think it’s produced by the same method as a resinoid, just with a different starting material
The process you are describing for absolute that is the process for some specific plant matter, generally spent matter but also can be non spent matter. For example, in the process of rose they can use spent and none spent petals. The flower is agitated in a non - polar solvent such as n-hexane this dissolves the oils, waxes etc, the solvent is then removed by a vacuum process. This leaves behind a waxy substance known as concrete. The concrete is generally stored as is, until they need to get the aromatic valuables out, at which point the concrete is processed with ethyl alcohol at below zero temperatures. This draws out the aromatics and leaves the waxes, praffins etc behind. The alcohol is then evaporated, to have the absolute.

Whilst this is A process of obtaining absolute, it isnt the only or the defining way for getting absolutes. The reason n-hexanes are used it that it increases the yield from an otherwise low yield flower by dissolving, waxes, paraffins, pigment etc which contribute aromatic value to the final liquid. It is important to note that final liquid isnt just oil. Whilst n- hexanes are preferred for roses, other solvents such as ether petroleum, alcohol etc can be used for other materials depending on what one wants to achieve.

Absolutes dont always come as a liquid at room temperature, civet is a good example.

Using alcohol can produces absolutes the material has to be dry though, so for woods it can work, but for flowers it creates a headache. For woods that dont have resin a nice liquid is produced at the end, for agarwood there is a resin as well, and the term resinoid makes good sense as all the other components of an absolute are present together with resin.

The use of absolute is generally for delicate flowers and aromatics, and most of what you will find in literature will be aligned to that, however that is only an application of the principle rather than defining the principle. The principle as explained above can be implemented with just alcohol as well. Not all materials will have a concrete phase, as not all materials will have the content of waxes paraffins etc that flowers have. That is why the correct solvent has to be used for the material at hand, and calculating what it being targeted for the final product.
 
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Yield on sandalwood is between 1.5% young wood and up to 4% old vintage wood .
Some might claim more yield but this is from my experience and results only.
So 1 kg of high quality wood should produce somewhere between 25-40ml
Let’s say 30ml is a great guess per kg or just about 2.5 tola per kg
At $1200 ( no discount) per kg that would be $40 per gram of oil as a wood cost now add your distilling fee. ( I take contracts 😉)
At $20 a gram distilling fee plus some shipping you could be looking at $65 a gram
Yes $65 a gram and maybe that sounds expensive but is it really ? This is micro batch contract distilling at its most expensive and uses retail wood and a paid distiller .
No other sandalwood oil would ever cost this much to distill and if this was done at a small 5 kg batch size I’m sure the cost to an actual distiller would be about half this amount and the oil could be sold at a reasonable price while still bringing the distiller a living wage above average.
Let me know if you talk them into selling you a few kg’s at a good price , I’ll distill that for you if you can get 2😉
 
Yield on sandalwood is between 1.5% young wood and up to 4% old vintage wood .
Some might claim more yield but this is from my experience and results only.
So 1 kg of high quality wood should produce somewhere between 25-40ml
Let’s say 30ml is a great guess per kg or just about 2.5 tola per kg
At $1200 ( no discount) per kg that would be $40 per gram of oil as a wood cost now add your distilling fee. ( I take contracts 😉)
At $20 a gram distilling fee plus some shipping you could be looking at $65 a gram
Yes $65 a gram and maybe that sounds expensive but is it really ? This is micro batch contract distilling at its most expensive and uses retail wood and a paid distiller .
No other sandalwood oil would ever cost this much to distill and if this was done at a small 5 kg batch size I’m sure the cost to an actual distiller would be about half this amount and the oil could be sold at a reasonable price while still bringing the distiller a living wage above average.
Let me know if you talk them into selling you a few kg’s at a good price , I’ll distill that for you if you can get 2😉
ok now you got me on a mission bro! this stuff so beautiful it would be very worth it. i honestly dont thing a better sandalwood oil can be distilled and even exists. this stuff is so purple and elegant it is the kinam of sandalwood. i will send you some when i send you some kinam samples that i want you to smell. maybe we can go 50/50 on the 2kg
 
Sandal, Mysore Sandal, by Craft Oud (Dr Prasun) and Tabeer Oud (Mr Umair) is not only Mysore but also quality Mysore Sandal. For the last three or four years, Mysore Sandal from the guys I found crème de la crème.

Last month, I got Mysore King and Sinking Mysore by Dr Prasun, and last day I got Coeur de Santal by Mr Umair. The oils before them were equally spectacular. Santal Supreme II, Santal Regal, Mysore Maharaj, Mysore Royale!

One can get samples and study the scent profile juxtaposing oils from different vendors, and everything will be crystal clear.
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I agree with the quality of craft oud sandalwood oils. I can only imagine what 5-10 years of aging does to them.

Sandal, Mysore Sandal, by Craft Oud (Dr Prasun) and Tabeer Oud (Mr Umair) is not only Mysore but also quality Mysore Sandal. For the last three or four years, Mysore Sandal from the guys I found crème de la crème.

Last month, I got Mysore King and Sinking Mysore by Dr Prasun, and last day I got Coeur de Santal by Mr Umair. The oils before them were equally spectacular. Santal Supreme II, Santal Regal, Mysore Maharaj, Mysore Royale!

One can get samples and study the scent profile juxtaposing oils from different vendors, and everything will be crystal clear.
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