Thats not it. More the idea that the material would be wasted on me for i probably wouldn't be able to use it to its full potential, or whatever, along those lines 🙂
I notice you do put yourself and abilities down quite a bit. You're quite knowledgeable, learning skills is supposed to be hard, that's how you know you're growing! When it becomes easy/rote that's when you should be concerned!

End of the day, it's a small jar of a chemical extraction, not the mona lisa. If you get enjoyment from it, it's never a waste. Imo anyway
 
I notice you do put yourself and abilities down quite a bit. You're quite knowledgeable, learning skills is supposed to be hard, that's how you know you're growing! When it becomes easy/rote that's when you should be concerned!

End of the day, it's a small jar of a chemical extraction, not the mona lisa. If you get enjoyment from it, it's never a waste. Imo anyway
Agreed and in fact I was just thinking to myself how the way you @MaxFromHolland are approaching things is the way that leads to clear perception, growth, etc.
 
Just started a co-distillation:

Cold pressed apple juice
Sweet ginger
Green tea leaves
Patchouli leaves
Atlas ceder EO

Slow steamflow, 2-3 day run (depending on scent of hydrosol)
Very nice. There are tons of small apples just hanging on abandoned unpruned trees around here that used to be part of old orchards etc.. I have a jar of an apple resinoid I purchased years ago (1996) from one of the French extraction pioneers - it's kind of like a paste of apple cider scent, as a resinoid I guess extracted from dried apples - I'm not sure. Was thinking I should give something with the apples a shot but I'm not sure this is the year for it - I've got a queue of things here to work on.
 
Very nice. There are tons of small apples just hanging on abandoned unpruned trees around here that used to be part of old orchards etc.. I have a jar of an apple resinoid I purchased years ago (1996) from one of the French extraction pioneers - it's kind of like a paste of apple cider scent, as a resinoid I guess extracted from dried apples - I'm not sure. Was thinking I should give something with the apples a shot but I'm not sure this is the year for it - I've got a queue of things here to work on.
That resinoid sounds nice. I should try extracting some fruits some day. Closest i got was strawberry plants, of which the extract smells of strawberries, funny plant.
 
That resinoid sounds nice. I should try extracting some fruits some day. Closest i got was strawberry plants, of which the extract smells of strawberries, funny plant.
I'm not crazy about it honestly which is part of the reason why I still have most of it after all this time. The particular aspect of the apple aroma that it captures is not one that I've ever felt inclined to incorporate into perfume... so I have been pondering distilling the peels over alcohol or something like that
 
That resinoid sounds nice. I should try extracting some fruits some day. Closest i got was strawberry plants, of which the extract smells of strawberries, funny plant.

Maybe the smell of apple inevitably oxidizes into that brown cidery aroma with time, but I wonder if enfleurage extraction of sour green apples versus some other variety known for its aroma would produce something unique and preserve the differences between the strains? I don't think I have the patience for it but if one of these abandoned apple trees was on my property I would be tempted.
 
Maybe the smell of apple inevitably oxidizes into that brown cidery aroma with time, but I wonder if enfleurage extraction of sour green apples versus some other variety known for its aroma would produce something unique and preserve the differences between the strains? I don't think I have the patience for it but if one of these abandoned apple trees was on my property I would be tempted.
There is this vintage absolue with smell of cider with hints of wood and wax. Dark brown paste, from a French house, très expensive (although everything from that particular seller is) 🙂 Probably interesting for those into 'boozy' perfume notes. That's made by enfleurage of shavings btw.

I dont know what to expect of cold extracted peels, versus soxhlet or distillation; whether you just get 'something apple' or detailed enough to distinguish var.
 
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Some pictures of the glass tube in action. Purpose is to avoid dripping but let the condensate land on the oil layer gently. The tube just touches the surface. In the pics you see the hydrosol forming a bubble within the oil layer, that slowly* expands until the water becomes to heavy and the bubble bursts. Then the whole thing starts over again. Results in more efficient infusion of the oil with the hydrosol's aromatics.

*It's a 3-5 minute cycle, depends on viscosity of the oil and flowrate.

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Some pictures of the glass tube in action. Purpose is to avoid dripping but let the condensate land on the oil layer gently. The tube just touches the surface. In the pics you see the hydrosol forming a bubble within the oil layer, that slowly* expands until the water becomes to heavy and the bubble bursts. Then the whole thing starts over again. Results in more efficient infusion of the oil with the hydrosol's aromatics.

*It's a 3-5 minute cycle, depends on viscosity of the oil and flowrate.

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[Ouddict.com] MFH - Experiments & MaterialsBubbles are getting bigger, which tells me increasing viscosity, in other words the base fraction of the patch and ceder are distilling over.

Checked hydrosol, mostly green apple with a sting from the ginger (burns on tongue tasting it🙂) with the patch as something dark fruit deep below. Says nothing about the actual scent of the oil, but as long as the hydrosol smells good there is no problem to keep it running.
 
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I made this ambrette seed tincture and transferred it to jojoba. Didn't think much of it so put it on the shelf and forgot about it.
That was some 6-8 months ago. I just opened the bottle and there's nothing botanical left in the scent.
Will be nice to experiment with this and some of the sheepwool absolue.

Btw there also seems to be goathair absolue, need to look into that.

Scent of hard working farmer,
Some hay,
Some oat,
A touch of coffee,
Maybe a pinch of wildflower
I can see a story unfolding there 🙂
 
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When i seperated the muskroot from the alcohol, i've put some new alcohol on the botanical -just in case. Interesting to observe how it completely dissolves gradually. Def. not something to toss careless in the filtrationfunnel, even when cheap Chinese.
 
Just started a co-distillation:

Cold pressed apple juice
Sweet ginger
Green tea leaves
Patchouli leaves
Atlas ceder EO

Slow steamflow, 2-3 day run (depending on scent of hydrosol)
Ended the run after 36 hrs. Hydrosol still fresh but kind of losing body, and it was either this or add 10 hrs (job).
Hard to judge fresh out of the still with molecules acting like people on a busy trainstation at rush hour. But it seems to open with green apple reminiscent of childhood Apple shampoo. Then the ginger kicks in, not at all married to the patch yet. Shelf&Wait 🙂

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Ended the run after 36 hrs. Hydrosol still fresh but kind of losing body, and it was either this or add 10 hrs (job).
Hard to judge fresh out of the still with molecules acting like people on a busy trainstation at rush hour. But it seems to open with green apple reminiscent of childhood Apple shampoo. Then the ginger kicks in, not at all married to the patch yet. Shelf&Wait 🙂

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I really like the type of spice note coming from the ginger, it has both something sharp and soft. Very curious how this is going to evolve and whether the patch will shed its fresh distilled green without losing the apple green and ginger freshness. 🙂 Time will tell, somewhere mid december, aww patience..
 
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I was trying to balance some patch and rose as part of something i'm working on, and using skin for testpatches. Now i'm not that keen on rose, so when done i went for a good rinse to derose.

Funny thing happened, sniffing to check if 'it' was gone, i got this time machine flashback to childhood, walking in the street while it rained. Makes sense if you think about it, violets and roses being the standard front yard deco where i lived. So we get faint rose and faint patch on a skin that still smells wet, pretty much equal to the faint rose, wet earth and wet kid walking in the rain.
If only i knew how to make that wet skin scent, i would do a Time Machine project 🙂

Maybe i do a faint rose-patch 'water' to use post shower for a brief moment of joy 🌦️
 
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Childhood petrichor
I was trying to balance some patch and rose as part of something i'm working on, and using skin for testpatches. Now i'm not that keen on rose, so when done i went for a good rinse to derose.

Funny thing happened, sniffing to check if 'it' was gone, i got this time machine flashback to childhood, walking in the street while it rained. Makes sense if you think about it, violets and roses being the standard front yard deco where i lived. So we get faint rose and faint patch on a skin that still smells wet, pretty much equal to the faint rose, wet earth and wet kid walking in the rain.
If only i knew how to make that wet skin scent, i would do a Time Machine project 🙂

Maybe i do a faint rose-patch 'water' to use post shower for a brief moment of joy 🌦️
I had a similar flashback moment years ago when I was living in oregon. I have posted about it here in the past... i was walking through tree-lined streets in Portland in the autumn and there were deep piles of leaves on the ground... as I moved further into this neighborhood I began to get this weird feeling like I was back in Brooklyn, where I grew up as a child. For the first minute I had no idea what it was, I wasn't even sure it was the aroma of the air in particular because it was a subtle aroma that gradually grew in intensity as I walked... then in an instant pretty much it hit me… it was the particular smell of the autumn leaves. The streets where I grew up were heavily planted with sycamore trees and I knew the smell of those leaves like the back of my hand but the last time I had really been in their presence was before I had really started tuning into fragrance. Very much a kind of "petrichor from my past" because it was a pretty subtle dry leafy mineral type aroma that came from the combination of the concrete and the leaves and whatever else you find in an urban environment.
 
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I had a similar flashback moment years ago when I was living in oregon. I have posted about it here in the past... i was walking through tree-lined streets in Portland in the autumn and there were deep piles of leaves on the ground... as I moved further into this neighborhood I began to get this weird feeling like I was back in Brooklyn, where I grew up as a child. For the first minute I had no idea what it was, I wasn't even sure it was the aroma of the air in particular because it was a subtle aroma that gradually grew in intensity as I walked... then in an instant pretty much it hit me… it was the particular smell of the autumn leaves. The streets where I grew up were heavily planted with sycamore trees and I knew the smell of those leaves like the back of my hand but the last time I had really been in their presence was before I had really started tuning into fragrance. Very much a kind of "petrichor from my past" because it was a pretty subtle dry leafy mineral type aroma that came from the combination of the concrete in the leaves and whatever else you find in an urban environment.
Fascinating how that works, not just the memory of a scent but the brain paining an entire picture if not movie around it.
I often find that smell of first rain disappointing, think i now understand better why and which botanicals are missing.. soil type is different too from where i lived as kid. Trees were bigger too, nowadays trees in streets, most of them are heavily pruned. To avoid 'litter' believe it or not. Crazy world 🤷
 
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