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Al Shareef Oudh
Master Perfumer
The people on this forum are some of the nicest people you will come across and having a discussion about some of the challenges of the industry doesnt mean they were aimed at anyone or trying to put anyone down. As such i dont think the conversation should be interrupted by sentiment-based associations, names dropping does stifle conversations on here because people are too kind and dont want to upset anyone. But the reality is, we all have different levels of visibility of what goes on in this industry, and when people are kind enough to share insights for the benefit of everyone, then we should assume good of everyone, as i mentioned earlier these are some of the nicest people you gonna come across.
Just to put this into perspective.
When The distiller of the oil is selling the oil for $300, and the reseller is selling it for $1500 with marketing, there is nothing wrong with that. I am sure the vendor has business operating costs etc. However, when you have a customer who has been sent the oil from the distiller, and customer he/she themselves bought the same oil for $1500 from the reseller, and they begin to poop on the $300 oil, which is exactly the same oil. Now we have problem and that needs to be spoken about.
Anyone who is guilty of that, they need to sort themselves out, swallow the bitter pill of having paid too much on the second purchase, but dont poop on the same oil just because the distiller sells it for $300 and your favourite vendors for $1500 its the same oil. The fallacy tries to reconcile why that could be happening, because the alternative is much more brutal.
This is not talking about Dr B1414 or any particular vendor.
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agaroudh
Oud Beginner
Crassna Cha by Ahom Oud.
This has to be the best Thai Crassna that I have tried yet. No syrupy intense sweetness.
Berries drenched in honey and amazing incense fumes. Beautiful velvety and mild sweetness with rich woody notes engulf the senses. Just a tiny swipe on the wrist is enough.
The unique character is it's mature and serious resinous profile. Not a fan of Trat region oud oils but this one took me by a pleasant surprise.
This has to be the best Thai Crassna that I have tried yet. No syrupy intense sweetness.
Berries drenched in honey and amazing incense fumes. Beautiful velvety and mild sweetness with rich woody notes engulf the senses. Just a tiny swipe on the wrist is enough.
The unique character is it's mature and serious resinous profile. Not a fan of Trat region oud oils but this one took me by a pleasant surprise.
Fragdoctor
True Ouddict
I read Epictetus for a night and the group discussions have gone a different tangent 😂
Faris
True Ouddict
How will someone who possesses both the oils not know they’re the same oil, let alone talk bad about the cheaper one?
Unbelievable
Kolalid
True Ouddict
What is funny is that our respected brother who was the subject of this conversation has done the exact opposite. When Faizal was able to source Oud Royale at a much cheaper price Dr B was one who was able to verify to us that it was the same oil, and heaped significant praise on Faizal.
Obada
True Ouddict
I have to agree with @Kolalid
I dont have to talk in @Dr B1414 name but as an objective viewer of the thread, it sounded the way @Kolalid mentioned.
I had some conversations about different brands and oils with @Dr B1414 and if you know him, you will know that he is a very picky nose. He likes and dislikes oils from every brand (Ensar included).
The discussion took place after the Doc mentioned what he mentioned and it seemed directed to him.
Anyway I know all parties had no bad intention, its just the time and place of the discussion made it seem inappropriate/disrespectful etc.
He was comparing vietnamese oils in his collection that he wants to wear and enjoy these days and weeks. Ofcourse he will compare them regardless of their age as he wants to find an oil to swipe and enjoy NOW.
If he would try the same fresh oil in 5 10 20years, it may be his favorite vietnamese but who knows if we live this long.
I wish you a good and healthy life 😁
Ps.
@YusaAromatics is right as the comparison may not be fair due to age differences but selling fresh distilled oils or letting the oils age before selling is a different topic we can discuss in a dedicated thread.
I dont have to talk in @Dr B1414 name but as an objective viewer of the thread, it sounded the way @Kolalid mentioned.
I had some conversations about different brands and oils with @Dr B1414 and if you know him, you will know that he is a very picky nose. He likes and dislikes oils from every brand (Ensar included).
The discussion took place after the Doc mentioned what he mentioned and it seemed directed to him.
Anyway I know all parties had no bad intention, its just the time and place of the discussion made it seem inappropriate/disrespectful etc.
He was comparing vietnamese oils in his collection that he wants to wear and enjoy these days and weeks. Ofcourse he will compare them regardless of their age as he wants to find an oil to swipe and enjoy NOW.
If he would try the same fresh oil in 5 10 20years, it may be his favorite vietnamese but who knows if we live this long.
I wish you a good and healthy life 😁
Ps.
@YusaAromatics is right as the comparison may not be fair due to age differences but selling fresh distilled oils or letting the oils age before selling is a different topic we can discuss in a dedicated thread.
Mr.P
oud<3er
Back to oud of the day:
Right now I'm sniffing a Sumatra oil, 2024, An Najwa. One of a set of samples i am feeling quite fortunate to have the chance to sniff.
This oil in my mind falls in the general category of the oceanic / ambergris type. I have no idea if anyone else would have the same association because it's so complex. Not sure what species of wood this would be from.
Not to say it literally smells like ambergris but there is something to my nose, there are some ouds from Sumatra in particular that bring it to mind (and I would think this would be an ideal oil to mix with ambergris which is actually giving me idea 🙂
This oil has moderate pungency, and a sweet custardy note that is most evident on deeper whiffs. That note is kind of like the opening of of zamrad 2 and my old Aceh oil from agarwoodindonesia. While those two oils are kind of custard note dominant to me, this one is a little more like a combination of a bit of that smooth sugary custard buried in some enticing resinous notes, and as well as ambergris type sweetened with vanillin. I can also see the very first hint of that wonderful deep oily note heavy malay and indo oils sometimes have.
I can't comment on longevity yet, but i love the second stage of this oil- i keep getting these enticing dry spicy notes wafting around me as i go in and out of the house, and a deeper whiff brings up this really delightful heavy oud resin scent which I wish was more common. I don't know how to describe it's a kind of solidity or density to the resinous notes that is super appealing and both distinctive and rare to encounter. I will need to wear this a few more times to really understand it but it is clearly another first class oud, that brings some of the better stuff from the past to mind.
Right now I'm sniffing a Sumatra oil, 2024, An Najwa. One of a set of samples i am feeling quite fortunate to have the chance to sniff.
This oil in my mind falls in the general category of the oceanic / ambergris type. I have no idea if anyone else would have the same association because it's so complex. Not sure what species of wood this would be from.
Not to say it literally smells like ambergris but there is something to my nose, there are some ouds from Sumatra in particular that bring it to mind (and I would think this would be an ideal oil to mix with ambergris which is actually giving me idea 🙂
This oil has moderate pungency, and a sweet custardy note that is most evident on deeper whiffs. That note is kind of like the opening of of zamrad 2 and my old Aceh oil from agarwoodindonesia. While those two oils are kind of custard note dominant to me, this one is a little more like a combination of a bit of that smooth sugary custard buried in some enticing resinous notes, and as well as ambergris type sweetened with vanillin. I can also see the very first hint of that wonderful deep oily note heavy malay and indo oils sometimes have.
I can't comment on longevity yet, but i love the second stage of this oil- i keep getting these enticing dry spicy notes wafting around me as i go in and out of the house, and a deeper whiff brings up this really delightful heavy oud resin scent which I wish was more common. I don't know how to describe it's a kind of solidity or density to the resinous notes that is super appealing and both distinctive and rare to encounter. I will need to wear this a few more times to really understand it but it is clearly another first class oud, that brings some of the better stuff from the past to mind.
Dr B1414
True Ouddict
Oh Wow, I just chimed in to see what's up and saw I was tagged a few times here and then read about the "drama". Just another day in the oud world I guess. Good think I don't stay subscribed to the threads though. Moving on🙂).
Agar Aura Royal Sumatra
Agar Aura Royal Maluku
Agar aura Berkilau
Oriscent Purple Kinam
Not a coincidence. I can trace bits of the 3 AA oils in Purple Kinam so I felt like doing a case study.
That's more like it.
Agar Aura Royal Sumatra
Agar Aura Royal Maluku
Agar aura Berkilau
Oriscent Purple Kinam
Not a coincidence. I can trace bits of the 3 AA oils in Purple Kinam so I felt like doing a case study.
Escentually
True Ouddict
Hefty lineup of oils😶🌫😤
Fragdoctor
True Ouddict
I really want to try the royal maluku
I'm sitting on my Vietking for now because it's changing pretty rapidly. I sniff it from the bottle every few days, and the scent colour is actually getting brighter which seems counter-intuitive. With young oils the top notes can seem hidden sometimes. Maybe they are so volatile initially as to be barely perceived, or they are covered up by something else which then mellows. I have noticed something similar in wines. I think people will be surprised how different this oil smells once it hits a plateau.
Currently wearing Calypso from Oud Tripura. This is bright, with a cooked yellow/green tropical fruit vibe, and a decent amount of blueish incense streaming off the top. This is quite new gen, it's bright, smooth in the top notes no heat or funk but there is a pleasant muskiness. Nice gravelly drydown remiscent of spent wood.
Currently wearing Calypso from Oud Tripura. This is bright, with a cooked yellow/green tropical fruit vibe, and a decent amount of blueish incense streaming off the top. This is quite new gen, it's bright, smooth in the top notes no heat or funk but there is a pleasant muskiness. Nice gravelly drydown remiscent of spent wood.
Arabiad07
True Ouddict
How does PK compare to Sultani and Kannan Koh. I thought PK was inferior. Opening of PK has a very nice zest but dry down doesn’t compare to Sultani
How does Royal Maluku compare to Emperor of Maluku Jinko?
Mr.P
oud<3er
HM royal Laos from Sulaym. This is a profile I haven't smelled since the last bottle of lao super i ordered direct from Bolisat Lao PDR back in the day. This was the oud oil Enfleurage in NYC carried - there was a while where they were the only one with heavy oud in the US and they didn't make much of a big deal about it. This is pre-oriscent days and the owner Trygve was ahead of the game by a long shot.
again, literally a dead ringer for Bolisat Lao Super from wild wood in 1998 or so. They closed down shortly after that because they could not source the wood for this type of oil in Laos anymore. Not sure what the situation is these days but I was in contact with the owner of Bolisat and this what i was told.
again, literally a dead ringer for Bolisat Lao Super from wild wood in 1998 or so. They closed down shortly after that because they could not source the wood for this type of oil in Laos anymore. Not sure what the situation is these days but I was in contact with the owner of Bolisat and this what i was told.
Faris
True Ouddict
Let us know your thoughts on Sher Shah. I feel you’re going to like it. It’s cultivated incense grade & has the “true to wood scent” from heart to base.
Dr B1414
True Ouddict
I owe you a long ass message on the Berkilau and these questions. It will come, I have not forgotten you.
Dr B1414
True Ouddict
Did you grab the 5 X 0.25 sampler? If so, please share your experience with the Malay one, Muateq. That one sounds promising.
Mr.P
oud<3er
I have swiped it twice already and I'm starting to form an impression. Still don't quite feel like I know it well enough to comment but the quality is clearly there.
Mr.P
oud<3er
What is it about that oil that stands out to you? I do have a sample which i will get to at some point.
Dr B1414
True Ouddict
I didn't get it. Faizal mentioned it to me some while ago. I love a good Malay oil, and after the HM Purple Malay, my interest was naturally piqued.
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