Oud of the Day

Mr.P said:
It makes sense. Given the gamut of aromas that fall under the oud umbrella, you have a huge field of potential fragrance to process. Sort of a 10 year project as I see it, if that makes sense, which makes any particular entry point into the whole thing kind of arbitrary. I don't think you will find anybody with a sample set that covers even a fraction of the variety of types of oud out there. Probably the most informative thing you could do (and I know this is obvious but I mean it very specifically because we're not talking about something like rose oil which has fewer variations) would be to buy sample sets from more than one vendor and take a look at the variation within and between the sets. Even if you did this with every sample set carried by every vendor here right now, you would still only have scratched the surface because the stock is always changing as is the characteristic of the oils.

The alternative would be to narrow it down to one region/category by some kind of discussion based process of elimination and just get to know that one category well. That will give you a strong foundation to begin investigating other regions.

It really is bafflingly complex which is part of what makes it fascinating.
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Thank you, and I understand your salient points completely.
Opinion: Anything worthwhile usually takes at least 7 years, and complex systems one will never completely characterize......

Fascinating it is, and thank you for your patience.
 
LasLunas said:
Thank you, and I understand your salient points completely.
Opinion: Anything worthwhile usually takes at least 7 years, and complex systems one will never completely characterize......

Fascinating it is, and thank you for your patience.
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Exactly - going into it with that attitude, you will not get frustrated. Lots of different species, it's one of the most wonderful olfactory landscapes to explore... you have a lot to look forward to.

Some of the variables that make it so hard to get a picture early on are differences in the way the wood is soaked or fermented, the way the steam circulates before moving through the condensers, the total number of days of distillation, the pressure in the still, the type and evenness and consistency of heating, the geographic origin, age, species of wood, the quality and age of the resin and history of the infection in the tree, curing of the oil post distillation…

It turns out that each of these factors can introduce strikingly different qualities, so when two oil smell different, it can be hard to know why (and thus develop an understanding of the whole system ) without really good information.
 
Mr.P said:
Exactly - going into it with that attitude, you will not get frustrated. Lots of different species, it's one of the most wonderful olfactory landscapes to explore... you have a lot to look forward to.

Some of the variables that make it so hard to get a picture early on are differences in the way the wood is soaked or fermented, the way the steam circulates before moving through the condensers, the total number of days of distillation, the pressure in the still, the type and evenness and consistency of heating, the geographic origin, age, species of wood, the quality and age of the resin and history of the infection in the tree, curing of the oil post distillation…

It turns out that each of these factors can introduce strikingly different qualities, so when two oil smell different, it can be hard to know why (and thus develop an understanding of the whole system ) without really good information.
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Certainly, and the processing variables creating different outputs as you described makes perfect sense to me....that is crystal clear. An arena with no end to the possibilities.......

I have been a fan of Shalimar extrait from the 1930's to early 1950's for many years, and lucky to have plenty from GI's returning to the states after WWII. I do not care for the newer formulations, anything past early 60's is just not Shalimar to my nose.
About 3 years ago while running analysis of 73 samples of "Oudh Oils" for a colleague I picked up on some odors that were to my liking, along with some that were worse than cleaning dog kennels, seriously. I started to read about Oudh from vendor sites, and paused my scientific mind for a bit. Purchased some sample sets from EO, and other items as well. Purchased a few more sampler sets from other sites. Initially when I would try on a swipe I would sniff, sniff later, sniff , sniff, sniff, etc.
Based upon initial impressions I separated into 3 piles, Like, Not Sure, and Yuck.
I would wait a week, then start all over (blind application-only numbers to identify the sample), and I ended up switching the order of personal preference for >80% of samples.

I was thinking that I would figure out what I had a preference for, then determine the area and variety of the wood based on vendor info. Next I explored the process of extraction, various soaking, distillation techniques, equipment, etc., and set it all aside to ponder a different approach.
I looked into many sites and then hit upon this organization of Oud users. The threads are informative.

Persistence, consistency and some magic along the way will be useful!
I will order the sampler set you referenced. In my cart as I draft this response!

Thank you for your time and kindness!
 
fragnatic said:
Kindly ask when was it released? Couldnt find more information online despite being curious bout it, thanks!
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www.ensaroud.com

Tigerwood: King Super - Ensar Oud

They may be fleeting, but they’re diffusive and are what gives lift to a fragrance. The only way to pull off a
www.ensaroud.com www.ensaroud.com

I think it was late 2023 or 2024
Always in a combo with the perfume.
You can choose between „only perfume“ or „perfume and oil“
Maybe it is still selling, no clue about ensars on/off tactics
 
LasLunas said:
Certainly, and the processing variables creating different outputs as you described makes perfect sense to me....that is crystal clear. An arena with no end to the possibilities.......

I have been a fan of Shalimar extrait from the 1930's to early 1950's for many years, and lucky to have plenty from GI's returning to the states after WWII. I do not care for the newer formulations, anything past early 60's is just not Shalimar to my nose.
About 3 years ago while running analysis of 73 samples of "Oudh Oils" for a colleague I picked up on some odors that were to my liking, along with some that were worse than cleaning dog kennels, seriously. I started to read about Oudh from vendor sites, and paused my scientific mind for a bit. Purchased some sample sets from EO, and other items as well. Purchased a few more sampler sets from other sites. Initially when I would try on a swipe I would sniff, sniff later, sniff , sniff, sniff, etc.
Based upon initial impressions I separated into 3 piles, Like, Not Sure, and Yuck.
I would wait a week, then start all over (blind application-only numbers to identify the sample), and I ended up switching the order of personal preference for >80% of samples.

I was thinking that I would figure out what I had a preference for, then determine the area and variety of the wood based on vendor info. Next I explored the process of extraction, various soaking, distillation techniques, equipment, etc., and set it all aside to ponder a different approach.
I looked into many sites and then hit upon this organization of Oud users. The threads are informative.

Persistence, consistency and some magic along the way will be useful!
I will order the sampler set you referenced. In my cart as I draft this response!

Thank you for your time and kindness!
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Wait so you have already sampled broadly? If you have run gcms while smelling 73 oud samples, and purchased multiple sample sets from Ensar, you didn't need to hear any of that from me lol. Apologies for the incorrect assumption, I had interpreted that one post of yours as meaning that you were not familiar with oud on that level
 
Mr.P said:
Wait so you have already sampled broadly? If you have run gcms while smelling 73 oud samples, and purchased multiple sample sets from Ensar, you didn't need to hear any of that from me lol. Apologies for the incorrect assumption, I had interpreted that one post of yours as meaning that you were not familiar with oud on that level
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NO NO NO
I did need to hear from you. I have not purchased 73 samples, these came from a client for a project, I have purchased around 15 for myself. The samples provided by "client" were miniscule....0.020 - 0.025 micrograms......
Not nearly enough for one to examine for aromatic qualities via application to skin.

I definitely needed to hear what you had to say, this guides my own endeavors.
Your comment is so valuable to me personally!
 
LasLunas said:
NO NO NO
I did need to hear from you. I have not purchased 73 samples, these came from a client for a project, I have purchased around 15 for myself. The samples provided by "client" were miniscule....0.020 - 0.025 micrograms......
Not nearly enough for one to examine for aromatic qualities via application to skin.

I definitely needed to hear what you had to say, this guides my own endeavors.
Your comment is so valuable to me personally!
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OK great - it occurred to me that might've seemed patronizing if you already knew all that. Wow those are tiny samples didn't realize folks were analyzing that little at a time.
 
@YusaAromatics Owari Celon will go down as a micro-niche classic IMHO
I just picked up one of the 2 last grams... advise you to get the last one.
LOVE THIS one, so much! Actually has some elements of my favorite ultra-premium ouds - yet is still so young - and yes, it passed the Wife Test with a big smile and a long hug. I'll take that as 5 stars from her.

Putting this gram into the vault and hope to see how it ages - if I can keep my hands off it!
 
LasLunas said:
Certainly, and the processing variables creating different outputs as you described makes perfect sense to me....that is crystal clear. An arena with no end to the possibilities.......

I have been a fan of Shalimar extrait from the 1930's to early 1950's for many years, and lucky to have plenty from GI's returning to the states after WWII. I do not care for the newer formulations, anything past early 60's is just not Shalimar to my nose.
About 3 years ago while running analysis of 73 samples of "Oudh Oils" for a colleague I picked up on some odors that were to my liking, along with some that were worse than cleaning dog kennels, seriously. I started to read about Oudh from vendor sites, and paused my scientific mind for a bit. Purchased some sample sets from EO, and other items as well. Purchased a few more sampler sets from other sites. Initially when I would try on a swipe I would sniff, sniff later, sniff , sniff, sniff, etc.
Based upon initial impressions I separated into 3 piles, Like, Not Sure, and Yuck.
I would wait a week, then start all over (blind application-only numbers to identify the sample), and I ended up switching the order of personal preference for >80% of samples.

I was thinking that I would figure out what I had a preference for, then determine the area and variety of the wood based on vendor info. Next I explored the process of extraction, various soaking, distillation techniques, equipment, etc., and set it all aside to ponder a different approach.
I looked into many sites and then hit upon this organization of Oud users. The threads are informative.

Persistence, consistency and some magic along the way will be useful!
I will order the sampler set you referenced. In my cart as I draft this response!

Thank you for your time and kindness!
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Do we have a Walter white in our hands ; 😲 that's an awesome approach to oils . Embrace the oud journey .
 
Cross posting to Burn of the Day

We are deep in Sri Lankan territory today
 

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SHib said:
I would consider myself a newbie as well. But what I have found helpful is going for samples of different regions and figuring out my tastes for each region, although, I have found this can also vary from artisan to artisan!

I would suggest buying in little quantities, that's what I have been doing so far. I have yet to buy an "Oriscent" or very rare ouds yet, (my rarest being an SQ oil), but I probably will soon. Just not sure when and where!
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Hi,

So if you try a sample of a particular distillation and really enjoy it then you might go for a couple grams from same vendor, is this correct?
 
Zakir's Laos Pusong. In almost 100 degree weather this sort of disappeared but whenever I headed into a climate controlled room I got the berries that this one projects so strongly. It's an incredible oil for the price although I do find myself preferring ouds with more bite in their full spectrum.
 
Suvanda Forest - OudBase.

Have not worn this in a while. It's a powerhouse on my skin. Bright opening - has been described as sunshine in a bottle. Lovely transitions and ends in salty/oceanic incense. I'm picking up some ripe mango mixed in that far far dry down. Produced during the golden era of Sri Lankan artisanal oud? I don't know about that that but it's a gem and I am glad I picked some up when I started my Oud Journey.
 
SteveE said:
Yes! And remember these batches go fast- And don’t come back. Each batch of wood is different, each distillation…
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With wild/premium oud this is the biggest challenge. I'm not saying things always sell out in a feeding frenzy, but in general the lifetime of any particular batch is pretty small so you can easily miss out while taking your time to study a sample
 
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