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@abu junaid to me religion is a drug because it is based on the invisible. the same thing happens with drugs, people who use drugs live in an invisible reality while they are on the drugs. only difference to me is that one is in the form of a belief system while the other in whatever substance one needs to feel comfort or whatever it is that the whatever drug helps people with. to call a natural herb like cannabis a drug is a huge mistake, it is a prophet! it becomes a drug when you abuse any substance or idea.
here in greece there is a saying by the christians. "god has" in short whatever happens to people they are comforted by this. government takes near 50% of income, taxes everything etc etc...."god has" they have it all figured out. it is no coincidence that there is s saying "god, the peoples opium" i have been studying these people since 2007 and their religion and relationship with god is a literal drug. see when people live in their imagination and see more reality in the invisible then they do in the here and now to me this is side effects from drugs.
personally i was once very religious, it did not help me with anything and made me feel delusional talking to my imagination and begging all the time asking for things getting no responses etc it was as if i was on drugs the whole time. i was going through extremely hard times. cannabis is what woke me up and everything became clear. i learned so much from cannabis and discovered so much, even things that existed, things i would invent as ideas and philosophies that i later saw existed already and i was like wow i came up with this also.
sure, oppressed people who are not happy with their job will not have a good time with canabis they will want freedom and to relax more but the bills must be paid to the greedy banks, the banks want everyone on their toes as the super righ billionaires eat with golden spoons on the backs of the worker bees. i know people who are extremely productive and they do drugs. i stopped using cannabis in 2017 it was the most important time of my life, the teacher is the psychedelic, the real teacher. my prophets are psychedelics because they actually give me information and things to think about in a level that nothing else can give.
at the end of the day, good people on religion or canabis will be great people and thats the only truth. discrimination and fascism about beliefs and ideas shows a lot about people.
here in greece there is a saying by the christians. "god has" in short whatever happens to people they are comforted by this. government takes near 50% of income, taxes everything etc etc...."god has" they have it all figured out. it is no coincidence that there is s saying "god, the peoples opium" i have been studying these people since 2007 and their religion and relationship with god is a literal drug. see when people live in their imagination and see more reality in the invisible then they do in the here and now to me this is side effects from drugs.
personally i was once very religious, it did not help me with anything and made me feel delusional talking to my imagination and begging all the time asking for things getting no responses etc it was as if i was on drugs the whole time. i was going through extremely hard times. cannabis is what woke me up and everything became clear. i learned so much from cannabis and discovered so much, even things that existed, things i would invent as ideas and philosophies that i later saw existed already and i was like wow i came up with this also.
sure, oppressed people who are not happy with their job will not have a good time with canabis they will want freedom and to relax more but the bills must be paid to the greedy banks, the banks want everyone on their toes as the super righ billionaires eat with golden spoons on the backs of the worker bees. i know people who are extremely productive and they do drugs. i stopped using cannabis in 2017 it was the most important time of my life, the teacher is the psychedelic, the real teacher. my prophets are psychedelics because they actually give me information and things to think about in a level that nothing else can give.
at the end of the day, good people on religion or canabis will be great people and thats the only truth. discrimination and fascism about beliefs and ideas shows a lot about people.
abu junaid
Oudyssey Embarker
@language scent No I dont take offence because I believe you dont have the knowledge neccesary to say that as an insult towards my religion. Rather I take it more as a statement made from lack of knowledge on Islam. Think of a blind man telling me my jacket is ugly. Sorry if this sounds rude or harsh Im trying to word it politely as possible I promise ahaha. Let me explain. All religions are not the same. Thats the first mistake I see you make my friend, so lets start from there. Some religions can straight away be eliminated because they are non-sensical. Some of them dont make sense. For example:
Christianity:
The holy trinity states that there are 3 co equal, co existing beings who are all 1 god. Yet 3 doesnt equal 1. God is all knowing, this is known by neccesity.
But Jesus did not know the hour:
'But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only' Mathew 24:36
Therefore Jesus cannot be god (logically speaking) because he was not all knowing.
Likewise, there are many contradictions (numerical and otherwise) in the bible which prove it cant be from god.
Likewise, it does not befit gods nature to be born from a womans private parts and be a toddler depending on breast milk. This is a logical and rational conclusion which the person of sound intellect would utilise to eliminate christianty from being the true religion.
Note islamic teaching states the Jesus (peace be upon him) was a mighty prophet of god.
Likewise, Judaism cannot be the true religion. Because it is only for the people of Israel according the jewish scripture. Therefore that is a tribal god. Not the god of all mankind.
Likewise paganism cannot be a true religion. Because there cannot be 2 or more co-equal, all-powerful beings. As the one true god states in the quran as a logical argument:
مَا ٱتَّخَذَ ٱللَّهُ مِن وَلَدٍۢ وَمَا كَانَ مَعَهُۥ مِنْ إِلَـٰهٍ ۚ إِذًۭا لَّذَهَبَ كُلُّ إِلَـٰهٍۭ بِمَا خَلَقَ وَلَعَلَا بَعْضُهُمْ عَلَىٰ بَعْضٍۢ ۚ سُبْحَـٰنَ ٱللَّهِ عَمَّا يَصِفُونَ ٩١
No son (or offspring) did Allâh beget, nor is there any ilâh (god) along with Him. (If there had been many gods), then each god would have taken away what he had created, and some would have tried to overcome others! Glorified be Allâh above all that they attribute to Him!
Appreciate the beatiful logical coherence.
If we affirm 2 creators or more for the universe, each creator would have wished to hold on to what he has created & reserved that for himself alone, as is the practise of kings who would never allow anyone to share with them. This is from the nature of god being all-powerful, self-sufficient and soverign.
When he is alone in its ownership he would wish for another thing, that is that the authority belongs to him alone. So when he desires the authority either:
they are unable to overcome each other (in which case the lordship ceases and both of them are unworthy of being god)
one overcomes the other, in which case his lordship is established and that is the one true god.
So the first point to summarise, is that all religions are not the same. There can only be one true religion, as there cannot exist 2 (or more things) which contradict yet are all individually true (things being religions in this case).
Note:
Logically speaking this is known as the law of contradiction.
Therefore, you should accept that these other religions cannot be true if you are sincere and of sound intellect, considering the logical proofs I've mentioned. If you do this, then we can continue this discourse otherwise we are stuck at step 0 ahaha.
If you differ, then as it states in the quran we say:
هَاتُوا۟ بُرْهَـٰنَكُمْ إِن كُنتُمْ صَـٰدِقِينَ
Produce your proof if you are truthful
I have certainly produced my proofs by way of logical reasoning.
Thanks for reading,
Abu Junaid
Christianity:
The holy trinity states that there are 3 co equal, co existing beings who are all 1 god. Yet 3 doesnt equal 1. God is all knowing, this is known by neccesity.
But Jesus did not know the hour:
'But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only' Mathew 24:36
Therefore Jesus cannot be god (logically speaking) because he was not all knowing.
Likewise, there are many contradictions (numerical and otherwise) in the bible which prove it cant be from god.
Likewise, it does not befit gods nature to be born from a womans private parts and be a toddler depending on breast milk. This is a logical and rational conclusion which the person of sound intellect would utilise to eliminate christianty from being the true religion.
Note islamic teaching states the Jesus (peace be upon him) was a mighty prophet of god.
Likewise, Judaism cannot be the true religion. Because it is only for the people of Israel according the jewish scripture. Therefore that is a tribal god. Not the god of all mankind.
Likewise paganism cannot be a true religion. Because there cannot be 2 or more co-equal, all-powerful beings. As the one true god states in the quran as a logical argument:
مَا ٱتَّخَذَ ٱللَّهُ مِن وَلَدٍۢ وَمَا كَانَ مَعَهُۥ مِنْ إِلَـٰهٍ ۚ إِذًۭا لَّذَهَبَ كُلُّ إِلَـٰهٍۭ بِمَا خَلَقَ وَلَعَلَا بَعْضُهُمْ عَلَىٰ بَعْضٍۢ ۚ سُبْحَـٰنَ ٱللَّهِ عَمَّا يَصِفُونَ ٩١
No son (or offspring) did Allâh beget, nor is there any ilâh (god) along with Him. (If there had been many gods), then each god would have taken away what he had created, and some would have tried to overcome others! Glorified be Allâh above all that they attribute to Him!
Appreciate the beatiful logical coherence.
If we affirm 2 creators or more for the universe, each creator would have wished to hold on to what he has created & reserved that for himself alone, as is the practise of kings who would never allow anyone to share with them. This is from the nature of god being all-powerful, self-sufficient and soverign.
When he is alone in its ownership he would wish for another thing, that is that the authority belongs to him alone. So when he desires the authority either:
they are unable to overcome each other (in which case the lordship ceases and both of them are unworthy of being god)
one overcomes the other, in which case his lordship is established and that is the one true god.
So the first point to summarise, is that all religions are not the same. There can only be one true religion, as there cannot exist 2 (or more things) which contradict yet are all individually true (things being religions in this case).
Note:
Logically speaking this is known as the law of contradiction.
Therefore, you should accept that these other religions cannot be true if you are sincere and of sound intellect, considering the logical proofs I've mentioned. If you do this, then we can continue this discourse otherwise we are stuck at step 0 ahaha.
If you differ, then as it states in the quran we say:
هَاتُوا۟ بُرْهَـٰنَكُمْ إِن كُنتُمْ صَـٰدِقِينَ
Produce your proof if you are truthful
I have certainly produced my proofs by way of logical reasoning.
Thanks for reading,
Abu Junaid
coming in late. The Trinity is something the Romans created about 400 years after the death of Jesus. Jesus never claimed to be God, or anything more than the "Son of Man". The issues with modern Christianity is that it ventures from scripture and translations have made interpretation possible.
The 3 Abrahamic religions, at their core are inseparable, the texts are where the truth lie, not in the words of Man.
The 3 Abrahamic religions, at their core are inseparable, the texts are where the truth lie, not in the words of Man.
abu junaid
Oudyssey Embarker
Tbh Islam is the only 'abrahamic faith' as prophet abrahams (peace be upon him) religion was to worship the one true god alone and submit to the one true god (which is literally what islam is), and christianity doesnt do that as they worship jesus, and judaism falls short as they worship a tribal god which by definition is not the one true god who is for all of mankind. This is why we say prophet Ibrahim or abraham (peace be upon him) was a muslim too. So was jesus, and if I was born in the time of Jesus I would have to follow his teaching to attain the great success. Alas, the finality of the prophets is our noble messenger (صَلَّى اللّٰهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ) so we follow him. He affirmed the previous prophets before him either in the Quran or the sunnah (prophetic tradition) which is where we get this information from.
Ofc there is a minority of christians who worship the father not jesus, but due to the lack of preservation of the scripture evidenced by the many contradictions in the scripture, it is still eliminated from being the true religion for all times and places, as god would not send down a guidance that is unpreserved and corrupted.
Ofc there is a minority of christians who worship the father not jesus, but due to the lack of preservation of the scripture evidenced by the many contradictions in the scripture, it is still eliminated from being the true religion for all times and places, as god would not send down a guidance that is unpreserved and corrupted.
I respectfully disagree with your statement, and I don't want to turn this into a religious discussion but that sounds very close minded and a lot like the rhetoric you might hear from some Christian or Jew regarding other religions.
Religious discussions don't really belong in a group for Agarwood appreciation. Let's agree to end this right here right now as it will serve no good to continue
Religious discussions don't really belong in a group for Agarwood appreciation. Let's agree to end this right here right now as it will serve no good to continue
abu junaid
Oudyssey Embarker
Well Islam is a religion based on evidences and rationality which is the distinguishing factor. Think less close minded more logically grounded.
We are in the lounge section so while this discourse is perfectly legitimate, I dont want to continue pointlessly.
Thanks for the suggestion, I agree to end this conversation with you with no hard feelings (I hope so ahaha)
If anyone has a question regarding Islam I will always be happy to help in pm.
It surprises me you call someone who believes in God through Christianity less intelligent I certainly think this is an unhelpful view as they take there teachings from a book which they believe to be the word of God, if You where to want to teach someone who is a Christian why the Muslim religion is correct you would have pushed him away straight away with that kind of wording which in a way is not the most intelligent approach. One similarity I have noticed from true believers of the Muslim “FAITH” and true believers of the Christian “FAITH” is there love for humanity and there deep desire for everyone to know the Love of God and for there souls to be saved. There are many things That for me come into question when you read either book from a non religious point of view but I certainly love every living thing whether it be humans or whether it be animals or plants. I believe the most important thing is to love And to always have an open mind so we never stop learning. So much information is destroyed, censored and kept from us, for someone who loves to-try and learn the truth about things I feel it is important to question why this is? when-viewing the way the world is today I can’t help but wonder whether religion is a great tool to keep us distracted from the real evils at work. And to be honest if I was given great privileges whether it be heaven or what ever belief it is for the afterlife the thought of not doing anything to help the souls who according to what ever religion it may be where for eg. Lost into eternal damnation feels me with sadness, I could not sit there and do nothing to help them and I do not believe any god who is all good and love would be able to either. I have had the privilege to gain a lot of different experiences and meet all sorts of people from different walks of life and when you try and see through what some may call evil or sinful I often see a goodness there that hasn’t had the opportunity others may have had to be seen, it seems to me that the way life has become divide us in so many different ways, one things that makes this forum such a great place is the way we come together because of a love or addiction of oud hence the name Ouddict! I am concerned this topics has the potential to cause division as many people devote there life to whatever beliefs One might have, I cannot deny at the same time I am divided myself as these discussions are also important to have. I hope we can respect each other and keep love and peace in the centre of the conversation! (I am not naturally skilled in putting thoughts into written words so please forgive me if I have not made sense or come across in any bad or hurtful way, that is not my intention)
abu junaid
Oudyssey Embarker
I didnt call someone who believes in christianity less intelligent, rather I provided logical proofs which point elsewhere.
I apolagise for coming across that way. My manners in conveying this message of my religion may be lacking and I hope you can overlook that. I want good for everyone and I hope you can appreciate that likewise. Also, thank you for bringing that to my attention, it is certainly something I need to work on.
Mr.P
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you guys need to start a comparative mythology / religion forum or something.
I'm not complaining it's just amusing with some pretty interesting comments all around. It's been hard to resist jumping in. There's no point arguing with somebody about their religion though... talk about a waste of time
I'm not complaining it's just amusing with some pretty interesting comments all around. It's been hard to resist jumping in. There's no point arguing with somebody about their religion though... talk about a waste of time
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Actually an Ancient Greek philosopher debunked all abrahamic religions before they even existed. Check the photo in this post
The fear of being rejected by satanic ideals in the abrahamic religions make people blind and afraid to question their god. They just have been bated with eternal heaven so it is easy to side with the reward blindly.
The blind man ability is a great example actually and all abrahamic religions blind people with threats and rewards.
The funny thing is you claim you will not accept insults against your god and then go and tell everyone else that their god is fake and insult them by claiming that your god is the one and only true god he se their god is the fake one…now that, my brother is hilarious!!!!
Put it this way, Judaism came before Islam, as far as history and data reveals and what I find shocking is that Adam and Eve story. No Muslim brother of mines wants to talk about the Jewish product “Adam and eve” why is this product in Islam is Islam is not a biproduct of Judaism???
If Islam was not a biproduct it would be a completely different story…but it’s not! This is because the abrahamic religions were the new world order of the ancient times! The perfect mind control of consent to the kings.
Brother you talk about logic but your logic is based on pure imagination.
You speak moral and logic?? Why does your god allow all the war? Does he not know the outcome? Does he not know who the bad ones will be? When he made the rules and created everything didn’t he realize that he is condemning his own creation? For example I claim to have created free will….then I say hmm good idea let me create some bad people who will destroy the free will of the innocent so I can have some suspense and judge these specific bad people because I like to torture innocence and then reward innocence after. That makes absolutely no sense, but to a blind man who is oppressed and needs a savior and a hero it makes perfect sense.
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It is not a waste of time. It is not about changing peoples ideas and beliefs, it is about sharpening one’s own logic based on their beliefs. Now if the other persons logic puts you at hold and subconsciously you know they are right then that is a problem lol this is where people get angry and claim you are insulting them
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You have to understand that these religious institutions that have been thriving by harnessing weaknesses of the masses is an art, a psychology study of predictability and their key of survival is to breed division so that unity never happens. It is all about division and changing the other guy, all form of brainwash based on blood and mind control/threats. It was never something all nice and happy. The followers just ignore everything bad and focus on the good because heaven and hell is the absolute perfect psychological tool. The Greek philosopher Epicurus completely demolished the monotheism excuse with his extreme moral and logic. Check the picture
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I disagree. Unless you think people do not have a shred of moral and will just fight with one another about who’s god is the real one? 😂(like they have been doing since the dawn of this shit)
I like to believe that as lovers of aroma, we are United a certain way to be able to respect each other more as agarwood is our true god 😂🤣😂🤣
I think this specific thread should be available only to the open minded members who are strong at heart and can be strong about what other people have to say about their god.
Or should we take down the reviews thread because someone said they didn’t like my favorite oil and I am extremely angry now about it and feel he should be punished? Idk bro you tell me
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@abu junaid @The Scent Guru @FreeSoul
in this message i will tell you the one and only truth. but unlike some who thinks the truth is only via scripture and logic, i say the truth is based only on MORAL AND LOGIC and i will explain why only true moral compass can reveal true logic which debunks scripture that was used to win wars and control minds.
the key is to contemplate first on the size of eternity....the eternity within eternity within eternity and so on and ask yourself how does something exist to begin with and how or what created it? like god, how is it possible for got to exist? this is a question only true moral can answer and no scripture ever did they didnt have the moral to do so but they just said "he always existed" notice they call god a "he" cause otherwise no man would follow and accept it.
what is eternity? how is existence even possible? how is a god possible? the answer is not really compatible with the indocrination people have been installed with since birth so in order to see the truth you have to first realize you have been used and lied to for the sake of a heirarchy that always used the masses for their own personal gain.
eternity and existence are elements of their own source and god is the awakening-realization-definition of what they are. eternal existence is a source that subconsciously created environments in which to awaken in as life for the sake of experience and this first birth of life that happened throughout countless places then gave birth to the first gods and goddesses after the life of all the conscious beings died. in short, "nothing"(energy soup that is eternal source) evolved into a mortal life then this evolved into a god/goddess after death. the kings new that and hoped to steal that from us by deceiving us with their god, telling us we are just products of their god, experiments of their god and this is how they get us to consent to give our soul to their god and they believed they would be the only gods after life via this way, them and their bloodlines.
we are all eternal gods and goddesses. the only true real moral god never existed but many true and real moral gods did and they didnt make their children as they are but the mortals created more gods via birth and evolution through life and death. via the life and death circle which creates gods via evolution of the element of existence which is consciousness. immortal all powerful all capable god/goddess..
our true source "eternity" which is literally us all, made it possible for us to evolve from mortals into eternals in consciousness and then we created countless worlds to experience mortality because at first as eternals it got boring, we wanted surprizes and to experience what its like not to know all knowledge and well, our birth for the first time as humans was an amazing experience filled with surprizes to begin with and we love mortal worlds.. see as immortal eternal gods and goddesses we do not know curiosity because ALL KNOWLEDGE is already had and running through our soul....also we do not know fear or death because we can never die...we do know the knowledge of curiosity and fear but we can not feel it as gods and goddesses. the mortal worlds are like a roller coaster rush
now i will explain where true moral comes from and it is just 2 ideas. this is where the true moral logic draws its line....these are the two choices and one of them to me is dellusional and immoral.....but first, why is it people prefer to need a hero then to be their own god/goddess??? i will tell you, because the oppression of the kings throughout the ages made the peasants feel small and insignificant so people now adays prefer to feel like an experiment of some god who forced them into some world of greedy wars and murder rape oppression so that he can see if they believe in him still so he can grant them the allowence to exist in a free world of comfort and happiness....it is absolutely insane. the perfect tool against the oppressed minds so you can get them to do whatever you want for you, things like win some kingdoms for you for the sake of your god because god will reward you for it. LOL
moral = logic. a bad world is only logically acceptable if no one leaves from it harmed. this mortal world is like a video game and we leave it unharmed and return to our eternal family where we think of which world to enter next, a dystopia or a utopia? or something in between? there is logic in this, there is eternal moral in this. but to consent to a test where your weaknesses and logic will be used against you and condemn you for not obeying this is demonic. only demons need you to worship them, and it is infact greedy demon men who are the real demons, they want you to worship their ideals and tell you it is the only way you will be saved. to consent to this lie as a truth is to have lack of moral because many will be harmed in this world in return. its like two people playing a video game and after completing the game the one person says ok now lets destroy this game for giving us a hard time, while the other person prefers to play again and try to do better. the one person is insane while the other sees it as just a game. see to me there is no way that a monotheistic god is moral if he allows genocide. THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR GENOCIDE. immoral men will tell you "free will" god gave free will, but he is too immoral to realize that both parties have free will, the innocent and the bad and its always the bad guys free will that wins as the innocent are abused. there is no excuse to allow innocent children to be turned to sex slaves for whole outcomes for the sake of your supposed gods revenge, and it is immoral to believe that god allows it so he can later reward you for what he forced you to experience by not helping you for the sake of his revenge on the bad guy LOL
there is absolutely no moral to create a world with traps in it so you can condemn your own creation, this is just oppression of psychology for peasants of the ages. so much blood was spilled and this blood and battles exist in all our subconscious so we still feel it and have connected it to our "god/religion"
the mainstream religions and judgement is like playing a video game and then breaking(judgement/condemnation/hell) the videogame for giving you a hard time LMAO but we dont break or judge the video game do we?
moral is to know you are a part of an eternal family who choses to have prototype experiences that give birth to prototype emotions for the sake of experience because ETERNITY IS A LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time and as our mortal avatars we can not understand why our eternal self wants to experience such chaos like we see in this world. i guess all the gods and goddesses of this world who are here as mortals chose a dystopian world of chaos to experience for a few seconds of their existence(60-100years) not even a .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 fraction of the time of their eternity.......so the virtual reality of gods is the only true moral logic. unless again you prefer to need a hero and like the idea of being an experiment your whole life instead of a game. humans like watching different movies. thrillers, comedy, psyfi etc but they are blinded by religions to not believe that behind their humanity are gods who view mortal experience as a virtual movie
also, we could very well have chose a double world experience where all gods of these monotheistic religions exist as truth and when we die from the one mortal world we enter another world of either the bad outcome of the judgement or the good. in that case it seems we are all in hell at the moment doesnt it???? the only way out is to denounce the gods that this world pushed down our throats because in such a horrific world that sells their gods there cant be truth in any of them AS THE EPICOURIAN PARADOX ALREADY DEBUNKED MORAL IN THE MONOTHEISTIC ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS. indeed the abrahamic religions were created as a way to control masses , threaten them with hell and condemnation, reward them for unlimited obedience so that wars can win kings more kingdoms. it was a secret tool between kings and each kingdom changed the tool slightly to be different then the next kingdom.
this is the truth and everything else is mind control. freedom is this and nothing less.
in this message i will tell you the one and only truth. but unlike some who thinks the truth is only via scripture and logic, i say the truth is based only on MORAL AND LOGIC and i will explain why only true moral compass can reveal true logic which debunks scripture that was used to win wars and control minds.
the key is to contemplate first on the size of eternity....the eternity within eternity within eternity and so on and ask yourself how does something exist to begin with and how or what created it? like god, how is it possible for got to exist? this is a question only true moral can answer and no scripture ever did they didnt have the moral to do so but they just said "he always existed" notice they call god a "he" cause otherwise no man would follow and accept it.
what is eternity? how is existence even possible? how is a god possible? the answer is not really compatible with the indocrination people have been installed with since birth so in order to see the truth you have to first realize you have been used and lied to for the sake of a heirarchy that always used the masses for their own personal gain.
eternity and existence are elements of their own source and god is the awakening-realization-definition of what they are. eternal existence is a source that subconsciously created environments in which to awaken in as life for the sake of experience and this first birth of life that happened throughout countless places then gave birth to the first gods and goddesses after the life of all the conscious beings died. in short, "nothing"(energy soup that is eternal source) evolved into a mortal life then this evolved into a god/goddess after death. the kings new that and hoped to steal that from us by deceiving us with their god, telling us we are just products of their god, experiments of their god and this is how they get us to consent to give our soul to their god and they believed they would be the only gods after life via this way, them and their bloodlines.
we are all eternal gods and goddesses. the only true real moral god never existed but many true and real moral gods did and they didnt make their children as they are but the mortals created more gods via birth and evolution through life and death. via the life and death circle which creates gods via evolution of the element of existence which is consciousness. immortal all powerful all capable god/goddess..
our true source "eternity" which is literally us all, made it possible for us to evolve from mortals into eternals in consciousness and then we created countless worlds to experience mortality because at first as eternals it got boring, we wanted surprizes and to experience what its like not to know all knowledge and well, our birth for the first time as humans was an amazing experience filled with surprizes to begin with and we love mortal worlds.. see as immortal eternal gods and goddesses we do not know curiosity because ALL KNOWLEDGE is already had and running through our soul....also we do not know fear or death because we can never die...we do know the knowledge of curiosity and fear but we can not feel it as gods and goddesses. the mortal worlds are like a roller coaster rush
now i will explain where true moral comes from and it is just 2 ideas. this is where the true moral logic draws its line....these are the two choices and one of them to me is dellusional and immoral.....but first, why is it people prefer to need a hero then to be their own god/goddess??? i will tell you, because the oppression of the kings throughout the ages made the peasants feel small and insignificant so people now adays prefer to feel like an experiment of some god who forced them into some world of greedy wars and murder rape oppression so that he can see if they believe in him still so he can grant them the allowence to exist in a free world of comfort and happiness....it is absolutely insane. the perfect tool against the oppressed minds so you can get them to do whatever you want for you, things like win some kingdoms for you for the sake of your god because god will reward you for it. LOL
moral = logic. a bad world is only logically acceptable if no one leaves from it harmed. this mortal world is like a video game and we leave it unharmed and return to our eternal family where we think of which world to enter next, a dystopia or a utopia? or something in between? there is logic in this, there is eternal moral in this. but to consent to a test where your weaknesses and logic will be used against you and condemn you for not obeying this is demonic. only demons need you to worship them, and it is infact greedy demon men who are the real demons, they want you to worship their ideals and tell you it is the only way you will be saved. to consent to this lie as a truth is to have lack of moral because many will be harmed in this world in return. its like two people playing a video game and after completing the game the one person says ok now lets destroy this game for giving us a hard time, while the other person prefers to play again and try to do better. the one person is insane while the other sees it as just a game. see to me there is no way that a monotheistic god is moral if he allows genocide. THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR GENOCIDE. immoral men will tell you "free will" god gave free will, but he is too immoral to realize that both parties have free will, the innocent and the bad and its always the bad guys free will that wins as the innocent are abused. there is no excuse to allow innocent children to be turned to sex slaves for whole outcomes for the sake of your supposed gods revenge, and it is immoral to believe that god allows it so he can later reward you for what he forced you to experience by not helping you for the sake of his revenge on the bad guy LOL
there is absolutely no moral to create a world with traps in it so you can condemn your own creation, this is just oppression of psychology for peasants of the ages. so much blood was spilled and this blood and battles exist in all our subconscious so we still feel it and have connected it to our "god/religion"
the mainstream religions and judgement is like playing a video game and then breaking(judgement/condemnation/hell) the videogame for giving you a hard time LMAO but we dont break or judge the video game do we?
moral is to know you are a part of an eternal family who choses to have prototype experiences that give birth to prototype emotions for the sake of experience because ETERNITY IS A LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time and as our mortal avatars we can not understand why our eternal self wants to experience such chaos like we see in this world. i guess all the gods and goddesses of this world who are here as mortals chose a dystopian world of chaos to experience for a few seconds of their existence(60-100years) not even a .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 fraction of the time of their eternity.......so the virtual reality of gods is the only true moral logic. unless again you prefer to need a hero and like the idea of being an experiment your whole life instead of a game. humans like watching different movies. thrillers, comedy, psyfi etc but they are blinded by religions to not believe that behind their humanity are gods who view mortal experience as a virtual movie
also, we could very well have chose a double world experience where all gods of these monotheistic religions exist as truth and when we die from the one mortal world we enter another world of either the bad outcome of the judgement or the good. in that case it seems we are all in hell at the moment doesnt it???? the only way out is to denounce the gods that this world pushed down our throats because in such a horrific world that sells their gods there cant be truth in any of them AS THE EPICOURIAN PARADOX ALREADY DEBUNKED MORAL IN THE MONOTHEISTIC ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS. indeed the abrahamic religions were created as a way to control masses , threaten them with hell and condemnation, reward them for unlimited obedience so that wars can win kings more kingdoms. it was a secret tool between kings and each kingdom changed the tool slightly to be different then the next kingdom.
this is the truth and everything else is mind control. freedom is this and nothing less.
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abu junaid
Oudyssey Embarker
Well you've said a whole bunch of stuff my man. I will refute each one by one.
1: 'ancient greek philosphy debunked all religions before theye exist.
According to the photo in the post, god would want to remove all evil. Why does evil exist? If god wanted to test us since he is all-knowing he could have done so without creating us and the evil.
1.Firstly this is an emotional argument not a rational argument.
2.Also this argument is based on lack of understanding of why god created this creation.
emotional argument its not an objective argument.
"If god is all knowing he would know the outcome already." - True.
This is a false argument based on lack of knowledge of gods attributes. You see god is all-knowing. True. But god is also all-merciful. And all-just (the most fair and just in judgement). And it is from his mercy that he created us in first place, to let us work our deeds good or bad, rather then just put us in hell or heaven straight away based on his perfect knowledge.
If you know your brother was a thief and he would go out and steal tomorrow would it be fair to lock him up before he stole anything? Remember that he would be confused as to why you locked him up because he didnt know he was going to steal something himself when you locked him up? The fair man would say no because no doubt this would cause a lot of anguish and grief and negative emotions on the thiefs behalf, despite the fact that he would have stolen anyways. So theirs that debunked.
'The fear of being rejected by satanic ideals in the abrahamic religions make people blind and afraid to question their god. They just have been bated with eternal heaven so it is easy to side with the reward blindly.'
Nope Islam encourages one to ask questions. Questioning god is outside the scope of that because god is known by necessity. Anyways, debating to seek the truth is praiseworthy. Only thing is all the answers are in line with the natural disposition and make sense so theirs no need to change religions.
Since you are an atheist why dont we talk about the existance of god in first place?
"The blind man ability is a great example actually and all abrahamic religions blind people with threats and rewards.
'The funny thing is you claim you will not accept insults against your god and then go and tell everyone else that their god is fake and insult them by claiming that your god is the one and only true god he se their god is the fake one…now that, my brother is hilarious!!!!'"
Rather I provided logical proofs and rational proofs for my religion. If you have any logical proofs against my religion then please state them as you have done, so I can refute them. But no insults please see the difference ahaha.
Acheivement unlocked: jews and christians in the forum despise you ahaha just kidding
"Put it this way, Judaism came before Islam, as far as history and data reveals and what I find shocking is that Adam and Eve story. No Muslim brother of mines wants to talk about the Jewish product “Adam and eve” why is this product in Islam is Islam is not a biproduct of Judaism???
If Islam was not a biproduct it would be a completely different story…but it’s not!"
This is a false equivocation. If x holds then y cant hold. According to who? Just because you find mention of the same Adam and Eve in islam that means it is a byproduct? According to who? Thats not a logical statement to make. I can find mention of the same 'god doesnt exist' in the words of Vladimir Lenin who killed more then 5 million. Does this mean you are a byproduct of him? Or that your idea is a byproduct of his? Of course not. So theirs that debunked.
"You speak moral and logic?? Why does your god allow all the war? Does he not know the outcome? Does he not know who the bad ones will be? When he made the rules and created everything didn’t he realize that he is condemning his own creation? For example I claim to have created free will….then I say hmm good idea let me create some bad people who will destroy the free will of the innocent so I can have some suspense and judge these specific bad people because I like to torture innocence and then reward innocence after. That makes absolutely no sense, but to a blind man who is oppressed and needs a savior and a hero it makes perfect sense."
The first half of this has already been debunked more or less. God allows all to test us and as previously stated it is from him mercy to give us a chance and test us rather then act on the outcome and place us in our destinations already.
I will add:
God created everything. God does what he wills with his perfect knowledge and attributes. God creating you was a mercy to yourself. 50 years ago (I assume as you sound young ahaha) you where not even a thing worth mentioning. You where literally non existant. Now you are here with the sight and smell and touch and hearing. You cannot even ennumerate the blessings you have by virtue of god.
"Brother you talk about logic but your logic is based on pure imagination."
No my logic is based on certainty without doubt.
As he states in the quaran:
أَمْ خُلِقُوا۟ مِنْ غَيْرِ شَىْءٍ أَمْ هُمُ ٱلْخَـٰلِقُونَ
Were they created by nothing? Or were they themselves the creators?
there is no 4th option. If you think there is do tell.
-Renton-
True Ouddict
Hopefully social services got involved!!! That's downright abuse. 😡
language scent
True Woodict
"you said: If you know your brother was a thief and he would go out and steal tomorrow would it be fair to lock him up before he stole anything? Remember that he would be confused as to why you locked him up because he didnt know he was going to steal something himself when you locked him up?" this is a braindead question please forgive me but when there is a lack of moral all you see is condemnation and never cure. see it never passed your mind to ask if i would heal his need to want to steal instead you talk about jail because the indocrination you have been installed in you is based on fear and pain etc...
you said: " But god is also all-merciful." this again is false 1000% and filled with lack of logic why? because "all merciful" means for example when the children in palestine been crying in fear all these months and they pray and beg god to help them and he doesnt THIS IS NOT WHAT ALL MERCIFUL MEANS. i hope you can go passed your emotional ways and see it for what it it.
"emotional argument" ????????????? oh you saying we should remove all human emotions and be robots without emotions for the sake of some scripture passed from thousands of years ago and never evolve true logic? brother, go back and study the picture again, it is a real argument and completely debunks monotheism as being moral and just. it actually puts it to shame, or do you have a good reason why your god allows the genocide of countless inocent beings in many places similar to palestine????????? there is no excuse, unless of course you fear standing across from the god that terrorizes you, then you become the best devils advocate and call it logic and moral...its not tho.
you said: " Since you are an atheist why dont we talk about the existance of god in first place? " bro, you are the atheist because you do not believe in the infinite gods that exist and prefer to believe in only one. i guess its the same as believing only in one cat, one dog, one human one sun, one planet, one fish...but you dont see it. how am i an atheist when i believe in countless gods??? who believes in cats more a person who believes only one cat exists in the world or someone who knows countless cats exist? you guessed it! lol
adam and eve being the story of the jewish people and their god yes or no?? the jewish god created adam and eve and tested them with the talking snake etc and sin etc....IT IS A JEWISH STORY OF THE GOD OF THE JEWS AND LITERALLY HOW THEY BELIEVE LIFE ON EARTH STARTED. why did islam copy it if it is not a byproduct??? if i become a distiller and copy paste words from a story of ensar ouds oil am i original????? NOPE I AM NOT!! so why did islam copy? it didnt, monotheism is the perfect tool to terrorize people into consent to give their soul and the reward factor is pure mind control. the masses were really dumb and oppressed and the kingdoms thrived with monotheism as the boogie man who would either condemn or reward the subjects.
you said: "God created everything. God does what he wills with his perfect knowledge and attributes. God creating you was a mercy to yourself. 50 years ago (I assume as you sound young ahaha) you where not even a thing worth mentioning. You where literally non existant. Now you are here with the sight and smell and touch and hearing. You cannot even ennumerate the blessings you have by virtue of god." actually, your god didnt create me, my parents did LMAO im telling you, your whole belief system is imaginary ecause proof is my parents created me and your under this idea that your god created me its insane brother. come to your senses!!
explain how your god came to be. i dont want to hear the non intelligent story of "he always existed". there is no way a sentient being existed before anything else because there would be no image or definition around to give knowledge to sentience and it would be impossible for something that doesnt have a record in light to create out of darkness. this is satanic ideals. gods came from a subconscious mechanism of their element(eternity) this subconscious mechanism as is a snowflake and all creation around us, happened without consciousness but it happened for consciousness!! you are taught to be backwards and this is not logic. a computer can not just pop into existence without someone creating it first and adding to it information for which the computer will be able to act a certain way based on algorythm or consciousness. but subconsciously it is possible, look at dreams. existence is all just a big mind that is eternal and divides into multiple versions of itself.
"Were they created by nothing? Or were they themselves the creators?" there is no such thing as "nothing", nothing itself is a definition created by man to give image to non existence but even "non existence" is "something". all definitions exist ONLY in the conscious mins of god. we are all gods and goddesses, but oppressed minds do not want this like a jailed bird does not want freedom. to house birds, freedom is an illness a scary nightmare. who will feed them and take care of them??? they need a master. this is the difference between us brother, you need a master, i am my own master and i believe we all are our own masters, an eternal family of gods and goddesses while you prefer judgement and death instead of healing and freedom.
-Renton-
True Ouddict
Hello bro, when did I bring you in? Bad memory lol 😆.
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