For this discourse or any other for that matter to bare fruit it needs to be void of fan boy mentality, which in this context would mean keeping individuals, vendors, business out of the discussion and addressing the misinformation rather than making people the subject of the discussion. It is for this purpose that I deliberately not mention vendor names even though it would make my life a lot simpler to just mention the misinformation and the vendor guilty of it. I do not want the discussions to be reduced to a fan noise competition, and the club with noisiest fans drowns the discussion, as happened so many times on BN. As such I will continue to leave individuals and vendors out of it and discuss the issues.
@Adam
As you have requested to give specific examples regarding your works, though my posts were not directed at you and I have both in public and private supported you, I will address your request here, I have provided pics of the types of woods that are not wild in my post above and since you want specifics from your website please have a look at this video that you posted,
those woods are not wild. You can also see someone who you accept as being your superior discussing very similar pieces here
https://ensaroud.com/en/product/thai-kodo/180 and he clearly mentions that they are not wild . You may want to check the source of your wood and whether it truly came from wild.
Yes the walla patta is a unique type of oudh, it comes from the genus Gyrinops which is different to the woods you find in thailand that are from Aquilaria . As per my previous post If you split the walla patta wood you will find that it isnt actually white inside but streaked, not only that but it also is solid hard wood, it isnt hollow or crumbling like the previous pictures i attached.
regarding your next point, Let me give you an example, the Attaar Family in India have been distilling oudh since the time of the Mughals, the Iterji family in the holy city of Makkah have been distilling oudh for over 120 years and the masters at Mysore have done the same if not more for sandalwood at the same time in modern terms they are at the cutting edge of distillation craftsmanship. In comparison to the contribution these true artisans have made and continue to make to the field of distillation, anyone coming in the last 10-15years would be considered kids.
As with regards to contribution to the oudh distillation in a global scale online vendors have not brought anything new to the scene that didnt exist before. Yes I agree they may have brought some 'new' items to the run down distiller in the middle of a village, but that distiller does not represent the full spectrum of distillers and just because some people have not witnessed advanced setups elsewhere that does not mean they don't exist.
You mentioned that there are 'hardly' any plantations in Sabah, this is not accurate, there is in fact a few well established oudh plantations in Sabah, East Malaysia, one of the larger ones is Fragrance Hill - Eco-Agarwood. There is also the 250 acre Sabindo Nusantara and a few other larges ones. There are also many smaller localized ones as well.
As I have mentioned to you before in private and in public, I am happy to provide you information on any specific challenges you face and you can take that information or leave it, however it is not our business model to invite people into our facilities or to parade our processes in public forums.
@bhanny
I see your point and totally agree that the real push should be to evolve and invent, many of the well established distillers and some of which i mentioned above are really big on this. On a personal level I am all for the fusion of tradition and technology, and taking the best of both.
What I was trying to table in the above discussion is not a comparison between new methods vs old methods. Rather the discussion here is regarding accuracy of information. In my opinion it is of utmost importance that the consumer has the most accurate information available to them so that they can make an informed decision. The discussion I am encouraging here is about ensuring that as vendors what we tell the consumer is accurate and that the consumer feels comfortable to challenge us as vendors.
m.arif
I apologies regarding your message I will follow up with our admin, I have checked the records we do not have any orders from m.arif unless you are using a different name. please PM me happy to resolve the issue.
I encourage you to get a copy it costs about $25, unfortunately I do not have the time to scan pieces for you and it would be more beneficial for you if you read and research the book in your own time, scripts and snapshots can be taken out of context.
From my training in different arts, most if not all have rules and guidelines; Music, has rules, poetry, has rules, martial arts, has rules. Distillation has rules too.
The discussion though was about accuracy of information being provided to the consumer rather than modern distillation vs traditional.
To answer your question we use both and a fusion of it as well. For example Khulood we used a setup that is not commonly used for oudh, but it gave us what we wanted so we design and crafted a unique setup.
for your other question, please refer to my response to Adam.
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